Indian man: Don't you think that the scientists have done good things but people have. . .
Prabhupāda: What is that good thing, first of all say.
Indian man: For example, they have invented medicines like the . . .
Prabhupāda: But have they stopped disease?
Indian man: But . . .
Prabhupāda: Now, no "but." First of all, they have got medicine for making money, but have they stopped disease?
Indian man: To some extent.
Prabhupāda: "To some extent," that is another bluff. That is another bluff. "To future," "some extent." Why some extent? Stop it.
Indian man: There were many people dying in Africa.
Prabhupāda: Everyone is dying. How you will live?
Indian man: Malaria . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no. Will you live forever?
Indian man: No, sir.
Prabhupāda: Then why do you speak that many are living? You cannot live. That is nature's law. You must die—today or tomorrow, it doesn't matter.
Indian man: They died before time comes. People die before time if there is no . . .
Prabhupāda: At the present moment they are not dying?
Indian man: Not . . . they should . . . there have been more deaths than . . .
Prabhupāda: So more or less, they are dying. Can you stop it? This is all bluffing, and fools are bewildered by these, all these propositions. You have to die today or tomorrow. Can you stop your death?
Indian man: No.
Prabhupāda: Then where is the benefit of this? And pay the scientists money for bluffing? You'll die, today or tomorrow. It doesn't matter. Why you are anxious? After all, we have to die. Just like we are in a friend's place. We have to vacate it. And if two days' advance, "All right, you can remain two days," that means I have got the proprietorship of the house? It is all nonsense. You have to die. Stop this death; then there is credit. If I become proprietor of the house, that is credit. And if I am living for four days, if they give concession, "All right, you can live two days more," is that very great benefit? I'll have to leave it. Similarly, you will have to die, today or tomorrow. It doesn't matter.