Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This and other movements, but gradually it will be just this movement.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It's meant to curb down many movements, but gradually it will be simply against this movement, because these other movements are finishing quickly.
Hari-śauri: Their first target was that Moonie, Moons. Their first target was that Korean Unification Church, the Moonies. Now we're the big target.
Prabhupāda: Moon is finished? No.
Hari-śauri: Practically.
Prabhupāda: What about Transcendental Meditation?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They are very, very clever. But even now they're coming under great criticism. They're starting to become criticized also. But they are much . . . he has so much watered down the whole thing that it doesn't disturb hardly anybody. It's no . . . it's like ten minutes a day. "Keep your job. Keep your position in life. Do everything you're doing. Just ten minutes a day go to sleep. Say some mantra and sleep." So no one is very much upset by it. It doesn't demand anything, doesn't demand very much at all—like taking a pill.
Prabhupāda: He's very clever.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. A good businessman. They outright . . . this they outrightly say: "This is not religion. No question of religion, nothing about God." They advertise like that, "It is not religion."
Prabhupāda: That is true.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The Army has taken it up now.
Prabhupāda: He has not any new . . . (indistinct)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He had one, but I heard that they had some difficulty in completing it . . . (indistinct) . . . (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . the leaders agree, organize it. Then others take it. We can begin there this varṇāśrama program.