Pradyumna: ...by the maheśvarya(?) of Kṛṣṇa then...
Prabhupāda: Because he adopted āroha-panthā. He wanted to understand Kṛṣṇa's mystic power by his own limited, conceivable power; therefore he was mistaken. He became mystified instead.
Pradyumna: And then he said that this maheśvarya was atarkya, and he said, "Why is it artarkya?" Yataḥ sva pramiti kham(?). Sva pramiti sva prakāśaṁ ca tat kham śuka rūpam ca(?).
Prabhupāda: Everyone wants to take pleasure by his own knowledge, that "I know something," but in the presence of Kṛṣṇa this conception will not help. We have to submit. You have to. There is no other alternative: na tāṁs tarkeṇa yojayet. That is the difference between Kṛṣṇa-ites and the Māyāvādīs. It is clear?
Pradyumna: It says therefore, it says, because this kṛṣṇa sva prakāśa sva pramiti kham ata eva… (break)
Prabhupāda: You cannot live within these limitations of prakṛti.
Pradyumna: Then this last word, it says bhaṭān... (break)
Prabhupāda: (indistinct Sanskrit) (break) ...a fact. So (indistinct Sanskrit asann niyatam??), not fact.
Pradyumna: In fact one commentator says some people try to find Brahman by neti-neti.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That (indistinct): "This is not, this is not." If this is not, this is not will go on. But what it is? This is called definition by negation. What it is? Suppose a statue. This is not what? This is not this, this is not this... So what it is?
Pradyumna: It mentions here...
Prabhupāda: In logic it is called "definition by negation."