Prabhupāda: As soon as one atom bomb is dropped, there is many thousand will be finished. Then what is your responsibility? You cannot give. You can make a statue: "These soldiers died. These soldiers died." That's all. But you could not save them from death. Mādhavānanda: Then they would say that we also must die. Everyone must die.
Prabhupāda: Yes, we die—to live forever. Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti (BG 4.9). We die for that. This is the last death.
Mādhavānanda: Then they will say, "How do we know?"
Prabhupāda: That. . . You are rascal. How you will know? You come to my feet; then you will know. (laughter)
Brahmānanda: To your feet or to your boot.
Prabhupāda: Yes, provided there is boot. Yes. Therefore there is a Vedic injunction, tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet (MU 1.2.12): "Because you are fool, rascal, you must approach a guru." That is the way. Sa gurum eva; eva, "certainly," abhigacchet, "must go." Otherwise there is no possibility. You remain as foolish forever and suffer.
Yogeśvara: There is one German historian named Friedrich Engels.
Prabhupāda: Yes, he is another foolish. (laughter) I can. . .
Yogeśvara: He wrote against Vedic culture by saying that even the brāhmaṇas of Vedic culture were not responsible, because the culture failed. It ended at a certain period in history. It was simply exploitation of the workers under the guise of religion. That was his argument.