Prabhupāda: Yogīs, yogīs, they realize Paramātmā.
Revatīnandana: And they're completely satisfied in that way.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yogīs, they see Bhagavān as Paramātmā. Brahman, Paramātmā and Bhagavān. So all of them are on the platform, but realization different. Gradually develop. Brahman realization is also spiritual realization. Paramātmā realization also spiritual realization and Bhagavān realization is also spiritual. But the perfect spiritual realization is Bhagavān realization. It includes Paramātmā and Brahman, everything.
Revatīnandana: In the Bhāgavatam it tells about Bhīṣmadeva . . . Bhīṣma? He was worshiping Lakṣmī-Nārāyaṇa, and when Kṛṣṇa came to . . . . . (indistinct) . . . Kṛṣṇa appeared in His four-armed form and then . . .
Prabhupāda: He knew there is no difference between Kṛṣṇa and Nārāyaṇa, because he was in perfect knowledge. Why Bhīṣma? Every one of us. You do not know?
Revatīnandana: Bhīṣma was more attracted to the four-armed form.
Prabhupāda: That is, that is . . . some devotee is worshiper of Viṣṇu, some devotee is worshiper of Kṛṣṇa.
Revatīnandana: Their constitutional nature is that way.
Prabhupāda: That is rasa. He likes this form. Just like Hanumān said that "Although I know Rāma and Kṛṣṇa are the same, still, I want to see Rāma." We also. Although we know Rāma and Kṛṣṇa the same, but we want to see Kṛṣṇa.
Devotee: Tulasidāsa said that he wants to see Rāma.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is devotee's inclination. That inclination we must have. Just like the gopīs were searching Kṛṣṇa, and they saw that Kṛṣṇa sitting in one place as four-handed Nārāyaṇa. They offered respect, "Oh, He is Nārāyaṇa. We don't care for Him." (laughter)
"We don't care for Him." But they offered respect, "Oh, Nārāyaṇa, namaskara. But we want Kṛṣṇa." And when Rādhārāṇī came, Kṛṣṇa wanted to remain Nārāyaṇa, He could not. Rādhārāṇī's desire is so strong that Kṛṣṇa could not remain as Nārāyaṇa. He became Kṛṣṇa. You see?
So somebody is offering us a little piece of land. In Sak . . . Saket.
Guest: Saket. It is good quarter.
Prabhupāda: It is good quarter. So why not accept that land and immediately have our building.
Guest: (indistinct) . . . say about four o'clock . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Yesterday there was a meeting. There is a hope of getting eighty-seven Life Member. So if you get some Life Members, say fifty, then we can have immediately one center.
Guest: But anyhow . . .
Prabhupāda: No, either we purchase or we invest (indistinct), but we require some Life Members.
Guest: (talks about making some appointment at between four and four-thirty)
Prabhupāda: But at that time somebody comes to see me. Somebody comes to see me and talk with me.