Prabhupāda: What you are feeding? Then why do you complain against me? If you are feeding, that is no challenge to me. You are rascal! You cannot do it; you are challenging me. This is the answer. If you are actually feeding, then where is challenge to me? You do not know how to answer.
Yogeśvara: Well, we are also feeding them meat, but you object to that.
Prabhupāda: Meat . . . why there are so many hungry person? Meat or any, stool, whatever you like, you do. But why there are so many hungry person? You are complaining that, "We are feeding." Are you feeding all of them?
Yogeśvara: They will say in India it is because of religion.
Prabhupāda: Again India, again. Take the total. Why say India and America . . .?
Yogeśvara: Well, because the example is most striking there of people who allow their children to go hungry because of their religion.
Prabhupāda: So we don't say that you keep them hungry. But can you give them life?
Yogeśvara: Therefore they start these programs that "You give up your religion."
Prabhupāda: You are also captivated by their program.
Hari-śauri: But we see in the materially advanced society . . .
Prabhupāda: What this material advance? You don't want to die; you have to die. Where is material advancement?
Hari-śauri: But there's no poverty or anything like that.
Prabhupāda: There is poverty. And "We are . . ." The same thing, "Mother, everything is all right. Simply there is no cloth, there is no food." You don't want to die. Nobody wants to die. Why you are dying? That is the real poverty. From the śāstra we understand, na hanyate hanyamāne śarī . . . (BG 2.20). Why I am under this tribulation?
Yogeśvara: So they may challenge, "Do you mean to say that you can feed the whole world without meat?"
Prabhupāda: We don't say, you are saying. We don't say. We say that you must be punished without food. You are dying without food. That is your proper justice. We say that. We are not anxious to this daridra-nārāyaṇa-sevā. We are not. We give. Whatever we have got, we distribute prasādam. That's all. We are not concerned about their daridra-nārāyaṇa-sevā. That is not our business. Suppose there are so many persons, they are without food in the hospital. Doctor has prescribed, "No food." What you can do there? Can you show your sympathy? "Oh, so many persons are lying without any . . . let us give." Then you'll be beaten with shoes.