Śrutakīrti:
- ā-brahma-bhuvanāl lokāḥ
- punar āvartino 'rjuna
- mām upetya tu kaunteya
- punar janma na vidyate
- (BG 8.16)
Prabhupāda: Yes. Now here is the perfectional stage. Now what is the translation?
Śrutakīrti: "From the highest planet in the material world down to the lowest, all are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death take place. But one who attains to My abode, O son of Kuntī, never takes birth again."
Prabhupāda: So as soon as you have to take birth, you have to die. Just like Aurobindo took birth; he died. Everyone. Everyone, even Brahmā. It may be a long duration or a small duration. That doesn't matter. Everyone. That is the perfection knowledge: how to solve this birth and death problem. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. Janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-duḥkha-doṣānudarśanam (BG 13.9).
As soon as we are under these clutches of birth and death, old age and disease, we are imperfect. We are imperfect. Whatever I may be, you may be, but if I am subjected to birth, death, old age and disease, then I am imperfect. Therefore the perfectional..., perfection of life is when you haven't got to take birth or die or become diseased and old. That is perfection.
Guest (1): That world must be somewhere in existence.
Prabhupāda: Yes. There is. That is, that is indicated...
Guest (1): But that...
Prabhupāda: Yad gatvā na nivartante tad... (BG 15.6).
Guest (1): But that, the pressure of that world can come on our world also...
Prabhupāda: No, that world will not.
Guest (1): ...can become our world.
Prabhupāda: That knowledge... Just like we are getting this knowledge. Kṛṣṇa came. Kṛṣṇa is giving us the knowledge. You can get the knowledge and make your life perfect.
Guest (1): No, but that world must be in existence somewhere.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is existing. That is existing. Yes. That is... That is stated here in the Bhagavad...
Guest (1): But we can bring it down here with us.
Prabhupāda: No, no. That is not your servant, that you can bring it down. That is not possible.
Guest (1): Somebody has to work for it.
Prabhupāda: No, no. That is another, I mean to say, rascal proposition. You cannot bring that.
Guest (1): Somebody has to. Because the creation can be...
Prabhupāda: No, no. "Somebody has to," that is your theory. But that is not possible.
Guest (1): The creation is always unfolding more and more, and becoming of more and more.
Prabhupāda: No, no. Creation is already there. Your knowledge is imperfect. You do not know what is that creation.
Guest (1): Few billion years before there was no human being living here.
Prabhupāda: That is rascaldom. That is rascaldom.
Guest (1): Hmm?
Prabhupāda: That is rascaldom, that statement.
Guest (1): Is...?
Prabhupāda: Rascaldom.
Guest (1): Pardon me, sir?
Prabhupāda: Rascaldom. Foolishness.
Guest (1): Foolishness?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest (1): Well, today...
Prabhupāda: Because, because you say, "Two millions of years ago..." Now...
Guest (1): Six billion, whatever you may say...
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Guest (1): Whatever amount of time one can say, before that, there was no life here.
Prabhupāda: Yes, but Vedic literature, Vedic literatures, you see, these four yugas. Now, in the Bhagavad-gītā... We are talking always: sahasra-yuga-paryantam ahar yad brahmaṇo viduḥ (BG 8.17). You study Bhagavad-gītā, you'll understand. Sahasra-yuga-paryantam. One yuga means forty-three lakhs of years. And multiply by... Eh?
Devotee: Mrs. Nair has come.
Prabhupāda: Let her come in, yes. And forty-three lakhs of years, multiply it by one thousand. Then how much it comes?
Guest (1): Forty-three multiplied by...
Prabhupāda: Forty-three lakhs multiplied by one thousand.
Guest (1): Four hundred thirty crores.
Prabhupāda: Thirty crores.
Guest (1): Four hundred thirty crores.
Prabhupāda: That is only twelve hours of Brahmā. So what you can two million?
Guest (1): No, no. I said six billion...
Prabhupāda: Six billion you may say, but this is only twelve hours of Brahmā. So just see how long he's living. Hundreds of millions of years he's living, still. And you say two millions years.
Guest (1): No, when you say Brahmā, you mean Supreme or the...?
Prabhupāda: No, no. Brahmā is a person like you and me. (Hindi, greeting Mrs. Nair) Aiye. Bettiye. (Hindi) Brahmā is also a living entity. Just like... (Hindi) We are all living entities. Similarly, Brahmā is also a living entity. Just like you are bigger than the ant, Brahmā is bigger than me. That is the difference only. But he's also living entity. So he lives for millions and millions of years.