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| <div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2> | | <div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2> |
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| <div class="heading">Śrīdhara Mahārāja belonged to the Bagh Bazaar party. And I was living aloof. My Guru Mahārāja approved. He said, "It is better that he is aloof from them." | | <div class="heading">Śrīdhara Mahārāja belonged to the Bagh Bazaar party. And I was living aloof. My Guru Mahārāja approved. He said, "It is better that he is aloof from them." |
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| <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- April 22, 1977, Bombay|Room Conversation -- April 22, 1977, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Today I was reading a very beautiful section of Caitanya-caritāmṛta that Kṛṣṇa comes in the form of the spiritual master. And then that...</p> | | |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Spiritual master is a revelation of Kṛṣṇa.</p>
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| <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes.</p>
| | <mp3player>https://vanipedia.s3.amazonaws.com/clip/770422R3-BOMBAY_clip.mp3</mp3player> |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Guru-kṛṣṇa.</p>
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- April 22, 1977, Bombay|Room Conversation -- April 22, 1977, Bombay]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;"> |
| <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It was mentioning how the initiator spiritual master is the representative of Śrī-Śrī-Madana-mohana, and the instructing spiritual master is a representative of Śrī-Govindadeva. Very nice explanation you gave in the purport.</p>
| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Today I was reading a very beautiful section of ''Caitanya-caritāmṛta ''that Kṛṣṇa comes in the form of the spiritual master. And then that . . . |
| <p>Prabhupāda: As far as possible, I have tried to present. In one place I have criticized my Godbrothers.</p>
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| <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Last night?</p>
| | Prabhupāda: Spiritual master is a revelation of Kṛṣṇa. |
| <p>Prabhupāda: No, no, in Caitanya-caritāmṛta.</p>
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| <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, yeah, at the end in one line. We were... When we read that, it was actually relishable, very personal.</p>
| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Śrīdhara Mahārāja is little...</p>
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| <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He read it?</p>
| | Prabhupāda: ''Guru''-''kṛṣṇa''. |
| <p>Prabhupāda: I think so.</p>
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| <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Did he make any comment?</p>
| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It was mentioning how the initiator spiritual master is the representative of Śrī-Śrī-Madana-mohana, and the instructing spiritual master is a representative of Śrī-Govindadeva. Very nice explanation you gave in the purport. |
| <p>Prabhupāda: He cannot make any comment. These are facts. Two parties there were. One party, to use guru as their instrument for self-aggrandizement, and another party left guru. So both of them are offenders. This Kunja Babu, this Tīrtha Mahārāja's party, he wanted to enjoy senses through guru. And the Bagh Bazaar party, they left.</p>
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| <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Vāsudeva.</p>
| | Prabhupāda: As far as possible, I have tried to present. In one place I have criticized my Godbrothers. |
| <p>Prabhupāda: So both of them are severe offenders.</p>
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| <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What about Śrīdhara Mahārāja?</p>
| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Last night? |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Śrīdhara Mahārāja belonged to the Bagh Bazaar party. And I was living aloof. My Guru Mahārāja approved. He said, "It is better that he is aloof from them."</p>
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| <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He could understand that his disciples were not...</p>
| | Prabhupāda: No, no, in ''Caitanya-caritāmṛta''. |
| <p>Prabhupāda: No, he was very sorry. At the last stage he was disgusted.</p>
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| <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But that... That doesn't mean that your disciples should think also, "I will remain aloof just as our Prabhupāda..."</p>
| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, yeah, at the end, in one line. We were . . . when we read that, it was actually relishable—very personal. |
| <p>Prabhupāda: No, that I have not said. Therefore I used so strong word on the, our Surabhī's action. This was made independently. He has written. He has given photograph. That is not good.</p>
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| <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, I took that as a good instruction to all of us, your rebuking.</p>
| | Prabhupāda: Śrīdhara Mahārāja is little . . . |
| <p>Prabhupāda: I told him that "You cannot do so independent. You are doing nice, but not to do in the... You admit." People complained against Haṁsadūta. Did you know that?</p>
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| <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I'm not sure of the particular incidences, but I've heard general...</p>
| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He read it? |
| <p>Prabhupāda: In Germany. In Germany.</p>
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| <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The devotees there.</p>
| | Prabhupāda: I think so. |
| <p>Prabhupāda: So many complaints.</p>
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| <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Therefore change is good.</p>
| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Did he make any comment? |
| <p>Prabhupāda: No, you become guru, but you must be qualified first of all. Then you become.</p>
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| <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, that kind of complaint was there.</p>
| | Prabhupāda: He cannot make any comment. These are facts. Two parties there were. One party, to use'' guru ''as their instrument for sense enjoyment, and another party left ''guru''. So both of them are offenders. This Kunja Babu, this Tīrtha Mahārāja's party, he wanted to enjoy senses through ''guru''. And the Bagh Bazaar party, they left. |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Did you know that?</p>
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| <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, I heard that, yeah.</p>
| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Vāsudeva. |
| <p>Prabhupāda: What is the use of producing some rascal guru?</p>
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| <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it's clear fact that we are all conditioned souls, so we cannot be guru. Maybe one day it may be possible...</p>
| | Prabhupāda: So both of them are severe offenders. |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Hm.</p>
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| <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...but not now.</p>
| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What about Śrīdhara Mahārāja? |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Yes. I shall choose some guru. I shall say, "Now you become ācārya. You become authorized." I am waiting for that. You become all ācārya. I retire completely. But the training must be complete.</p>
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| <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The process of purification must be there.</p>
| | Prabhupāda: Śrīdhara Mahārāja belonged to the Bagh Bazaar party. And I was living aloof. My Guru Mahārāja approved. He said: "It is better that he is aloof from them." |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, must be there. Caitanya Mahāprabhu wants that. Āmāra ājñāya guru hañā ([[Vanisource:CC Madhya 7.128|CC Madhya 7.128]]). "You become guru." (laughs) But be qualified. Little thing, strictly follower...</p>
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| <p>Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Not rubber stamp.</p>
| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He could understand that his disciples were not . . . |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Then you'll not be effective. You can cheat, but it will not be effective. Just see our Gauḍīya Maṭha. Everyone wanted to become guru, and a small temple and "guru." What kind of guru? No publication, no preaching, simply bring some foodstuff... My Guru Mahārāja used to say, "Joint mess," a place for eating and sleeping. Amar amar ara takana (?)(Bengali): "Joint mess." He said this.</p>
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| | Prabhupāda: No, he was very sorry. At the last stage he was disgusted. |
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| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But that . . . that doesn't mean that your disciples should think also, "I will remain aloof, just as our Prabhupāda . . ." |
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| | Prabhupāda: No, that I have not said. Therefore I used so strong word on the . . . our Surabhi's action. This was made independently. He has written. He has given photograph. That is not good. |
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| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, I took that as a good instruction to all of us, your rebuking. |
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| | Prabhupāda: I told him that "You cannot do so independent. You are doing nice, but not to do in the . . . you admit." (pause) People complained against Haṁsadūta. Did you know that? |
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| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I'm not sure of the particular incidences, but I've heard general . . . |
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| | Prabhupāda: In Germany. In Germany. |
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| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The devotees there. |
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| | Prabhupāda: So many complaints. |
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| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Therefore change is good. |
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| | Prabhupāda: No, you become ''guru'', but you must be qualified first of all. Then you become. |
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| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, that kind of complaint was there. |
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| | Prabhupāda: Did you know that? |
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| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, I heard that, yeah. |
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| | Prabhupāda: What is the use of producing some rascal ''guru''? |
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| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, I have studied myself and all of your disciples, and it's clear fact that we are all conditioned souls, so we cannot be ''guru''. Maybe one day it may be possible . . . |
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| | Prabhupāda: Hmm. |
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| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: . . . but not now. |
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| | Prabhupāda: Yes. I shall choose some ''guru''. I shall say, "Now you become ''ācārya''. You become authorized." I am waiting for that. You become all ''ācārya''. I retire completely. But the training must be complete. |
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| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The process of purification must be there. |
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| | Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, must be there. Caitanya Mahāprabhu wants that. ''Āmāra ājñāya guru hañā ''([[Vanisource:CC Madhya 7.128|CC Madhya 7.128]]). "You become ''guru''." (laughs) But be qualified. Little thing, strictly follower . . . |
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| | Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Not rubber stamp. |
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| | Prabhupāda: Then you'll not be effective. You can cheat, but it will not be effective. Just see our Gauḍīya Maṭha. Everyone wanted to become'' guru'', and a small temple and "''guru''." What kind of ''guru''? No publication, no preaching, simply bring some foodstuff . . . my Guru Mahārāja used to say: "Joint mess," a place for eating and sleeping. ''Amar amar ara takana'': "Joint mess." He said this.</p> |
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