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| {{terms|"I say that you shall remain fixed up in this way, but if you do not accept it, then how can I help you? If I say that"|"Don’t dry your knife on your neck"|"and if you do it, so how can I save you"}} | | {{terms|"I say that you shall remain fixed up in this way, but if you do not accept it, then how can I help you? If I say that"|"Don't dry your knife on your neck"|"and if you do it, so how can I save you"}} |
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| Devotee: "Number 3. The land situation: Of course we are living on the land, and the Deities are installed. We have been making your quarters ready, and I hope that you will be pleased with them. The land has been completely paid off by Alfred Ford, and he will also pay all property taxes. He had offered to lease us the land for a dollar per year and at the same time to turn over one-third ownership yearly to ISKCON until it was completely in our name."
| | Prabhupāda: This sex, this illicit sex, how is killing him. Illicit sex is so dangerous. He's a good boy. Similarly, Gaurasundara is killed by this illicit sex. Everyone will be killed with the illicit sex. That is the difficulty—falldown. What can I do? I have already given instruction. If they do not follow, they fall down. That is sure. So dangerous. And in our society it is very easy to have affair, so many girls are there. I can say "Don't do this," but if you do, what can I do? So, what you have written, Alfred? |
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| Prabhupāda: Let it…, let it be done in writing.
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| Devotee: Yes, he, he… I’ll just go on reading. He requests that, “He had to do this rather than give it outright for tax reasons. The problem is that Alfred Ford's main contact with ISKCON has been through Atulānanda dāsa, Alfred's lifetime friend. But now Atulānanda has gone with Sudāmā, and Sudāmā has told me that you do not want the property in ISKCON's name.”
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| Prabhupāda: Just see. Whatever he says, it is all right. Then what, who's next?
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| Devotee: Well, he is…, "Sudāmā also reports that Alfred is not pleased with ISKCON, does not trust ISKCON, etc. Also on several occasions they have made veiled threats, like "We can have you all thrown off the property in a minute." "
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| Devotee: They are saying, Sudāmā and his men are saying to the devotees, "We can have you all thrown off this property in a minute." Because they have the connection with Alfred Ford.
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| Prabhupāda: Ha. So he…, he is creating some impression of ISKCON. That was his policy, so that the property can be given in his name as he has taken the restaurant.
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| Devotee: Yes.
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| Prabhupāda: That was his plan; therefore he did not like that I should go there.
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| Prabhupāda: That I understand. Or any GBC go there. That is the whole plan.
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| Devotee: He goes on to say that "At any rate it seems difficult to put too much into developing the property unless we have some assurance one way or another that Alfred Ford will not ask us to leave. The land is the absolute manifestation of paradise, so it would be very nice if it could be kept."
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| Prabhupāda: So, write one letter to Alfred that this is the position. Or? Shall I write to him or not?
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| Gurukṛpā: If you don’t write to him, then it will only be Sudāmā's speaking with him.
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| Prabhupāda: Huh?
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| Devotee: He may…, he may get them to change it over, very easily.
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| Prabhupāda: Huh? He is doing that?
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| Gurukṛpā: If you don’t write to him, then Sudāmā will be the only one that will influence him.
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| Prabhupāda: You write to him, that "Sudāmā has left our camp; he has nothing to do with ISKCON. He has nothing to be recognized. He has his own plan. So under the circumstances I want to see you." What shall I write? He, he may poisioned?
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| Devotee: It looks as if they have already poisoned him some, because according to Sudāmā he doesn’t trust ISKCON. He doesn’t…, he is not pleased with ISKCON.
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| Prabhupāda: So.
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| Devotee: But I think that he is definitely submissive to yourself.
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| Prabhupāda: So I can (indistinct).
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| Prabhupāda: This sex, this illicit sex, how is killing him. Illicit sex is so dangerous. He's a good boy. Similarly, Gaurasundara is killed by this illicit sex. Everyone will be killed with the illicit sex. That is the difficulty—falldown. What can I do? I have already given instruction. If they do not follow, they fall down. That is sure. So dangerous. And in our society it is very easy to have affair, so many girls are there. I can say “Don’t do this,” but if you do, what can I do? So, what you have written, Alfred? | |
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| Prabhupāda: Ahah, “He has his own camp, and he has violated our rules and regulations and fallen down. Under the circumstances don’t be influenced by him, unless you see me.” Is that all right? | | Prabhupāda: Ahah, "He has his own camp, and he has violated our rules and regulations and fallen down. Under the circumstances don't be influenced by him, unless you see me." Is that all right? |
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| Gurukṛpā: Unless he sees you? | | Gurukṛpā: Unless he sees you? |
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| Prabhupāda: Yes. So "I am coming very soon in Hawaii. I am very much busy in Bombay for some business." (indistinct) Everyone is this. Karāndhara has done some… I trusted so much. How you can…? This is the poison, illicit sex, and this poison will kill everything. This is the poison. And I cannot understand whether I shall be able to save my disciples from this poison. This is the poison. They do not take it seriously, but in the beginning I said, "No illicit sex." If you want, (indistinct). These four principles, if they are not strictly followed, then he's victimized forever—today or tomorrow. He should take little time, of his time, to save himself. Artificially, that will not save him; he will fall down. Kṛṣṇa can excuse for some time, but it is not (indistinct). Api cet su-durācāro ([[Vanisource:BG 9.30 (1972)|BG 9.30]]). If unconsciously, or if you have some accidentally falldown, that is excused. But purposefully—it is all rascaldom. Bali-mardana fell. Karāndhara fell. Sudāmā fell. And gradually they are falling down. What can I do? I say that you shall remain fixed up in this way, but if you do not accept it, then how can I help you? If I say that “Don’t dry your knife on your neck,” and if you do it, so how can I save you? | | Prabhupāda: Yes. So "I am coming very soon in Hawaii. I am very much busy in Bombay for some business." . . . (indistinct) . . . Everyone is this. Karāndhara has done some. . . I trusted so much. How you can. . .? This is the poison, illicit sex, and this poison will kill everything. This is the poison. And I cannot understand whether I shall be able to save my disciples from this poison. This is the poison. They do not take it seriously, but in the beginning I said, "No illicit sex." If you want, . . . (indistinct) . . . . These four principles, if they are not strictly followed, then he's victimized forever—today or tomorrow. He should take little time, of his time, to save himself. Artificially, that will not save him; he will fall down. Kṛṣṇa can excuse for some time, but it is not . . . (indistinct) . . . . ''Api cet su-durācāro'' ([[vanisource:BG 9.30 (1972)|BG 9.30]]). If unconsciously, or if you have some accidentally falldown, that is excused. But purposefully—it is all rascaldom. Bali-mardana fell. Karāndhara fell. Sudāmā fell. And gradually they are falling down. What can I do? I say that you shall remain fixed up in this way, but if you do not accept it, then how can I help you? If I say that "Don't dry your knife on your neck," and if you do it, so how can I save you? |
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| Gurukṛpā: They get too much business and no saṅkīrtana, then they forget. | | Gurukṛpā: They get too much business and no ''saṅkīrtana'', then they forget. |
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| Prabhupāda: Well, why too much business? Who (indistinct) business?
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| Gurukṛpā: That is the case of all the devotees that have fallen. They have stopped doing saṅkīrtana and just strictly business. And then they forget. I know myself, if I don’t do some saṅkīrtana every day, I usually become agitated. But if I can do two…
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| Prabhupāda: That is also advised. But if you do not do it, then sixteen rounds first be done. This is not saṅkīrtana?
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| Prabhupāda: That is real saṅkīrtana—at least sixteen rounds. But if you do not follow, then how can you be saved? Saved without saṅkīrtana—for this is stressed in every letter. | | Prabhupāda: That is also advised. But if you do not do it, then sixteen rounds first be done. This is not ''saṅkīrtana''? |
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| Prabhupāda: Then if they do not follow the instruction of the spiritual master, then how you can be saved? You are fallen; I say “Catch this rope. I’ll take you, take you out.” But if you do not catch? Then? What is next? | | Prabhupāda: More than anyone. This is the. . . Every letter, every time it is stressed that "You must finish sixteen rounds." |
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