Prabhupāda: Oh. Is there any Deity?
Siddha-svarūpa: They don't let anyone in the temple. It is for secret membership . . . It is for the . . . Only if you become a secret member, or something. I do not know what they have in there. I think what they have in there is copies of their scripture that were on golden . . .
Ambarīṣa: Book of Mormon.
Siddha-svarūpa: The Book of Mormon is written on golden plates.
Ambarīṣa: They have a gold Jesus deity.
Siddha-svarūpa: They do. They worship Jesus. But they clearly accept that one . . . that the person is separate from his body, the soul is different than the body; that we are not flesh, that we are spirit.
Ambarīṣa: They have very strict disciplines too.
Siddha-svarūpa: And they accept that God is a person, that Jesus is the son of the Supreme Person. They even use the word "Supreme Person," "Supreme Personality." So in that way they are in conflict with . . .
Prabhupāda: That God is separate from Jesus?
Siddha-svarūpa: Yes, that He is the father of Jesus. They make long arguments to show their point, that God is one with Jesus as father and son, not as two persons; the same person. And they also have fairly strict . . . They have strict principles, but the people don't follow them very well.
Ambarīṣa: A lot of the young people do. Like I live around Salt Lake, and there's a lot of Mormons there, and there's a lot that . . . (break)
(on walk)
Siddha-svarūpa: . . . that we can become creators of a universe and be in charge of our own universe. They are hopeful for that. (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . in Bhāgavata also, that after passing one hundred life of first-class karmī one can become Brahmā. And after becoming Brahmā, he goes directly back to home, back to Godhead. (break) . . . this dissolution, Brahmā hasn't got to die. By the same body he goes. (break) All the inhabitants of Brahmaloka, they also go with Brahmā.