Prabhupāda: This is first-class man.
Justin Murphy: Who decides whether a man, then, is . . . fits into those criteria and becomes a first-class man? Who decides? Who is to say whether a man is first class or not?
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. He should be first of all qualified like this. What is that?
Amogha: "Peacefulness, self-control, austerity, purity, tolerance, honesty, wisdom, knowledge and religiousness."
Justin Murphy: But once a man has strived for those qualities, how does he know when he's attained them? And . . .
Prabhupāda: No, you . . . śamaḥ, śamaḥ. The first word is śamaḥ? Śamaḥ means equilibrium of the mind. One should be trained up in such a way that he is not disturbed in his mind in any circumstance. That is called śamaḥ. And damaḥ, damaḥ means controlling the senses. Naturally I find one beautiful woman, I want to talk with him (her), and he (she) is other's wife. But I should: "No, why should I talk with other's wife?" This is damaḥ, controlling the senses. So śamaḥ means keeping the mind always equiposed, and damaḥ, the controlling the mind. And suppose if . . . I have to eat something to live. So God has given me so many nice foodstuff: food grain, fruits, milk. Why should I kill an animal unnecessarily, for the taste of my tongue?
Justin Murphy: Selfishness.
Prabhupāda: But I want to live. There are . . . India, eighty percent people, they are vegetarian. They are living very nicely. They are eating sufficient food grain and fruits and milk and milk product. God has given us so many. So why should we maintain slaughterhouse, killing other animals? So a first-class man will not do that. First-class man will think that "I want to eat something to keep myself fit. If by natural products I can keep myself fit, why shall I kill another animal?" And every religion teaches that. Now take in your Christian religion, Christ said: "Thou shall not kill," and they are maintaining slaughterhouse. So this is the condition of the society. How you can become happy? You are violating the rules and regulation of religion and God. You cannot become . . . nature will disturb in so many ways. That is nature's business.