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| <div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2> | | <div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2> |
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| <div class="heading">They should follow what their spiritual master says. Book selling, there is no question of moral and immoral. They must sell. Just like in fighting. Where there is fight, the soldiers, to gain victory, there is no question of moral and immoral. He must. | | <div class="heading">They should follow what their spiritual master says. Book selling, there is no question of moral and immoral. They must sell. Just like in fighting. Where there is fight, the soldiers, to gain victory, there is no question of moral and immoral. He must. |
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| <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- May 5, 1976, Honolulu|Room Conversation -- May 5, 1976, Honolulu]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Bhūrijana: Would you like me to do anything? What would you like me to do? I know I don't want to be independent.</p> | | <mp3player>https://s3.amazonaws.com/vanipedia/clip/760505R1-HONOLULU_mono_clip2.mp3</mp3player> |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Why you are inclined to follow Siddha-svarūpa, your wife and you. What is your special attraction?</p>
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- May 5, 1976, Honolulu|Room Conversation -- May 5, 1976, Honolulu]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: Some lady inquired, "Is there any instruction about the power shortage?" "Oh, yes." (laughs) So she purchased, and the next day she said, "There is nothing about power." So suppose Tripurāri has sold one book. The lady inquired, "Is there any basic instruction about power shortage?" And he said, "Yes." So you think it is wrong. That is your version.</p> |
| <p>Bhūrijana: (indistinct) ...we couldn't always be corresponding with you. I needed some personal instruction.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: But first of all (indistinct) you what is the special attraction? Your wife said that their instruction is very clear. So what is the distinction between clear and ambiguous. What do you find ambiguous, what do you find clear? What is that?</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: I think the part I found clear, the more introspective points about humility, and changing one's desires...</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Humility means not to follow the instruction of guru? That is not...</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: No, that is not humility.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: I'm asking you what is the special attraction? You say... Your wife says it is very clear. What is that clear and ambiguous?</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: You mean what is ambiguous and... (indistinct) what is ambiguous or what...</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: No. You say that is very clear what others are telling you. Now what is that ambiguous, what is that clear?</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: The clearness may be a deeper understanding to want to be humble. A deeper understanding to want to...</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Humble, but if you do not follow your spiritual master's instruction, you follow others, then where is the humbleness? You say that... Your wife says that what Siddha-svarūpa says it is very clear and and others are not so clear. Is it not? What is that clear what is not clear?</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: He says chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: So who says that you don't chant?</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: Maybe the emphasis wasn't so much on the chanting even though everyone says harer nāma harer nāma harer nāma eva kevalam ([[Vanisource:CC Adi 17.21|CC Adi 17.21]]), everyone just chants their sixteen rounds a day, chants a half hour ārati in the evening and half hour ārati in the morning.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: So what do you want more? What is your program? 24 hours?</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: I like more kīrtana than that.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: So you don't like to sell books.</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: No, I think I like very much. I mean I think I would like to.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: So what is difference?</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: Between selling books and kīrtana?</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: No no. Between others and you. Where is the difference? When you point out that this is the point, we differ. What is that point?</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: Well maybe the point about more kīrtana or less kīrtana.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: So if you chant more, they're objecting?</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: No.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Then where is the difference? Has anyone objected (if you) chant more?</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: No.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Then where is the objection? What is the point of difference?</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: I think there's no point of difference.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Then why do you say we find these instructions more clear?</p>
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| <p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: You say that there's no point of difference, but then you say that his instruction is more clear. There's some contradiction.</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: It's just the emphasis that was given to hari... to chanting. For myself, I know I was off track and I know that in my heart I built up an enmity toward your disciples and thinking that they..., that by their distributing books they were making people angry at Kṛṣṇa and...</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: That is real point. That is real point.</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: That's what I felt. See, when I was in Hong Kong, people I would meet, they used to yell... They'd yell at me, "What have you done to Kṛṣṇa?" Some Indians used to say that. People we'd meet, they'd tell us they see the Hare Kṛṣṇa devotees and they hate Kṛṣṇa. I remember one specific time when I was speaking to one businessman who was helping us and...</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: He said that "We hate Kṛṣṇa"?</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: No no. He said that, "Your members of the Hare Kṛṣṇa, they're making people in Australia hate Kṛṣṇa. They make people inimical." Making people inimical to Kṛṣṇa.</p>
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| <p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: They feel threatened simply that we're preaching something that will discourage their sinful way of life. Simply they feel threatened. Not they're hating. Their argument is that because of our strong emphasis on preaching and book distrubtion, they say therefore that the mass of people they have a bad impression of Kṛṣṇa.</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: And also because...</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Because we are selling books.</p>
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| <p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Because we're selling books.</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: Not so much the selling books. Maybe because of the emphasis on taking..., how much money can be taken. Like if someone says on the street, "Please give me a donation." So they give him a donation. "No, you must give more," and more and more. So the people think that the devotees are only interested in getting money and they get a bad impression that ISKCON is a money making movement.</p>
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| <p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: We're selling one half a million large size books each year.</p>
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| <p>Harisauri: The thing is that the materialists will always find that. They see the devotees and we say that we renounce everything, but they don't understand that renunciation means to take everything and give it to Kṛṣṇa. So when... Just like that time there was such a great commotion when we hired that Rolls Royce to take Your Divine Grace from the airport to the temple. So in the papers they didn't put anything that you said. They simply put "His Divine Grace is arriving in a Rolls Royce." So this is the general attitude of the common mass of people.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: That is envious. So if they sell books, so that is making Kṛṣṇa unpopular?</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: But one must learn to be a good book salesman I think.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: But selling book, Kṛṣṇa, does it mean that the booksellers are creating unpopular opinion? Does it mean?</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: Automatically, no.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: When you say that they're making enemies because they're pushing this, what is wrong there? Actually, I can so far understand that you do not like to sell books, or you cannot sell books.</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: Actually I've never really tried.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: I've never really attempted very much.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Those who are selling books you think of them they're not very advanced.</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: I don't think they can do it for very long.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Eh?</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: I don't think that they can continue for a very long time if they are not advanced.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: But actually they're doing. So why do you say they cannot continue long?</p>
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| <p>Hari-sauri: No, he's saying that if they weren't..., that they must be advanced actually if you look at it in the proper perspective. The ones that are continually distributing, they, they must be advanced. Otherwise one could not do it for a very long time.</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: When people... Often used to make me angry when people would collect money for..., using lying terms and say that they're collecting money for the welfare center here, or to feed the children here, or to bus the children there, and they'd collect money like that but it wasn't very straight forward.</p>
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| <p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda has many times given the instruction to the devotees that they should try as much as possible to distribute the books on their own merit. (break) ...wanting this knowledge.</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: But they... (break) ...so much (indistinct) is collecting, not distributing books.</p>
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| <p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: No, but the point is that Prabhupāda's instruction is there.</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: But all the devotees want to hear is Prabhupāda also said "by hook or by crook."</p>
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| <p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Sometimes it may be required to interest someone in a book, that they may find out their interest. Just like people are interested in philanthropic activity.</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Just like our... What is his name?</p>
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| <p>Hari-sauri: Tripurāri? (laughter)</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Some lady inquired, "Is there any instruction about the power shortage?" "Oh, yes." (laughs) So she purchased, and the next day she said, "There is nothing about power." So suppose Tripurāri has sold one book. The lady inquired, "Is there any basic instruction about power shortage?" And he said, "Yes." So you think it is wrong. That is your version.</p>
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| <p>Bhūrijana: I think a simple lie like that is not bad.</p> | | <p>Bhūrijana: I think a simple lie like that is not bad.</p> |
| <p>Prabhupāda: But a devotee's view is that whatever may be her inquiry, if she purchases one book, she'll be benefited. This is the point. But you, as big moralist, you, (laughs) you think that he has cheated. He has not cheated. He has benefited her. Somehow or other he has given a book to her. Someday she'll read and she'll benefit. But you people, you think that why we should sell like that, that, "Yes, there is some solution of power shortage." Actually there is, but you think that he has lied. Just like there are sometimes the father's child is suffering from fever. So the father wants that the child may take the medicine, and promises, "You take the medicine. I'll give you this cake." The purpose is not to give the cake actually. The purpose is the child may take the medicine. That is the purpose. But when the father promises that "If you take the medicine I'll give you the cake." But cake is dangerous for the child who is suffering from fever, but still the father allures him. "If you take the medicine and I'll give you cake." So is the father wrong or right?</p> | | <p>Prabhupāda: But a devotee's view is that whatever may be her inquiry, if she purchases one book, she'll be benefited. This is the point. But you, as big moralist, you, (laughs) you think that he has cheated. He has not cheated. He has benefited her. Somehow or other he has given a book to her. Someday she'll read and she'll benefit. But you people, you think that why we should sell like that, that, "Yes, there is some solution of power shortage." Actually there is, but you think that he has lied. Just like there are sometimes the father's child is suffering from fever. So the father wants that the child may take the medicine, and promises, "You take the medicine. I'll give you this cake." The purpose is not to give the cake actually. The purpose is the child may take the medicine. That is the purpose. But when the father promises that "If you take the medicine I'll give you the cake." But cake is dangerous for the child who is suffering from fever, but still the father allures him. "If you take the medicine and I'll give you cake." So is the father wrong or right?</p> |
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| <p>Bhūrijana: I understand. In other words if you think they're doing it wrong, you do it better. If you see the wrong thing... But do it. Make sure you do it, but do it without the wrong thing.</p> | | <p>Bhūrijana: I understand. In other words if you think they're doing it wrong, you do it better. If you see the wrong thing... But do it. Make sure you do it, but do it without the wrong thing.</p> |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p> | | <p>Prabhupāda: Yes.</p> |
| <p>Bhūrijana: I feel that this is...</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: Besides that, if you do not take to Deity worship, then you shall remain unclean. That's a fact. (end)</p>
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