Dr. Patel: Māyayāpahṛta-jñānam asurīṁ bhāvam āśritaḥ.
Prabhupāda: Ah! Although he is very proud of his material knowledge, it has no value. Because he is dependent on the laws of material nature, what his knowledge will help him? Suppose a very big man of this material world, he commits some sin. Does it mean that because he has got big qualification he will be saved from the laws? No. He must suffer. So mama māyā duratyayā (BG 7.14). You cannot avoid even these material laws, so how you can avoid the nature's law? Mama māyā duratyayā. Very, very difficult, but still, they are thinking, "Oh, we are independent. We can do anything." Therefore mūḍhas.
Dr. Patel: Mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etām. . .
Prabhupāda: Taranti te. Yes. So this is the position. Therefore our propaganda is that "You take Kṛṣṇa and be Kṛṣṇa conscious, and then you'll be happy." This is our propaganda. We haven't got to manufacture anything. We have to simply repeat what Kṛṣṇa has said. That's all. (aside) Oh, Hare Kṛṣṇa. Tabiyat theek hai? (Is your health fine?)
This time I have requested all Nairobi important friends that "Now you take sannyāsa and become guru. Kṛṣṇa. . . Caitanya Mahāprabhu asked everyone to become guru. Amāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra ei deśa. You have come to Africa. Now become their guru and deliver them." "Now, how shall I do it?" Yāre dekha tāre kaha kṛṣṇa upadeśa (CC Madhya 7.128): "Simply speak. Don't become very big upstart. Simply speak what Kṛṣṇa has done. That's all. You'll become guru.". . . (indistinct Hindi). . . "Oh, Kṛṣṇa has said this. The meaning of this is this," as Kṛṣṇa left the meaning to be declared or understood by some fools and rascals. This is going on.