Prabhupāda: Those who are addicted to sinful life, they cannot understand God. So therefore we have to stop sinful activities. If you keep them in sinful activities, and if you expect that God will be revealed to them, it is not possible.
Scheuerman: Yes, we certainly agree. No contradiction on . . . I think it's very, very important—we do not see you in competition with our . . .
Prabhupāda: No, there is no competition. It is a science. Science is to . . .
Scheuerman: We rejoice when we see people coming to the Lord God, wherever it may be and however it may be. Do you have the passage there?
Jayādvaita: Yes. "Persons who have acted piously in previous lives and in this life, whose sinful actions are completely eradicated and who are freed from the duality of delusion, engage themselves in My service with determination."
Scheuerman: Yes we, too, see sin as an obstacle to communication and relationship with the Lord God.