Prabhupāda: If we ask these young men that "Who is expert? The fish or you are expert?"
Indian man: In swimming.
Prabhupāda: What will be the answer?
Devotee (2): They'll say he is.
Indian man: The fish.
Devotee: He will say he is.
Indian man: The fish is. The swimmer will say the fishes are expert.
Prabhupāda: If he says that he is expert more than the fish, then he's a madman. So? Why he cannot become more expert than the fish?
Indian man: Because he's not meant to swim all the. . .
Prabhupāda: Then in which way he should be expert? He must show his expertness in a different way which the fish cannot.
Indian man: I suppose, in the mind.
Prabhupāda: Mind is working of the fish. He knows where is his enemy, where to go. They have got better mind. They can understand from two miles that some enemy is coming. They take care.
Devotee (3): Fish.
Prabhupāda: Yes. The mind is so strong. Every fish in the water, although they are expert, they're in always in danger. They are always afraid of being eaten by bigger fish. Nūnaṁ mahatāṁ tatra. The world is that the stronger is exploiting the weaker. Nūnaṁ mahatāṁ tatra. Jīvo jīvasya jīvanam (SB 1.13.47). Still, they are expert.