Prabhupāda: There are many instances, but this is the injunction of the śāstra. And practically also. Suppose a man is a medical practitioner. He may be born in a brahmin family or śūdra family—nobody wants to know to which family he belongs to. If he sees that he is a medical practitioner, he has passed the M.D. examination and that he is practicing then people accept him as doctor, medical man. Nobody asks him, "Are you a brahmin? Then I make my treatment with you." Nobody asks that. So this is the śāstric injunction. Then later on this caste brahmanism, śūdra-ism made the whole thing, whole Hindu culture, Vedic culture, spoiled.
Guest (1): Quite right.
Prabhupāda: That should be the point. Now it is the duty of the secular government . . . now if somebody is claiming that, "I am brāhmaṇa," then government should force him to become actually a brāhmaṇa. That is government's duty; that is secular state. Not that, "Let people go to hell. We don't care for them." That is not required.
Guest (1): Yes, but if a brahmin is not behaving . . .
Prabhupāda: If you are claiming to become a brahmin, you must act as a brahmin.
Lady Guest: Perform the duties of a brahmin.
Guest (1): And actions and dharma and . . .
Prabhupāda: That should be the platform.