Prabhupāda: Duniya sab gaurango ye ghar-ghar. . . (indistinct Hindi). . . do you know this? (break). . . go somewhere, better go, at least four men. And when you read some knowledge, at least two men. But when you eat, one man. Don't bring four men and two men. Then he will be hungry; you will be hungry. (laughter) So for advancement of knowledge, two men at least required, discussion—not that I am reading and sleeping also.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda? Just before coming here we were in Laguṇa Beach, and Gurukṛpā Mahārāja, Yaśodānandana Mahārāja, Paramahaṁsa Mahārāja, Viṣṇujana Mahārāja and myself, we got your new books, Caitanya-caritāmṛta. So we were reading constantly from early in the morning. We found it was very enlivening, the fact that we were reading amongst a number of devotees.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Therefore it is called iṣṭagoṣṭhī, or discussion. Discussion does not take place alone. There must be at least two.
Indian man (1): Dvabhyaṁ pathanaṁ pathī.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Dvabhyaṁ patanam. Yeh sab Mahajan ka instructions hai. (These are all the instructions of the Mahajana.) Either you speak in Bengali or in Sanskrit. (break) Then that is an asset. One day they will come to help us. It is called ajñāta-sukṛtī, devotional advancement without knowledge. Even Māyāvādīs have actually appreciated. In Hyderabad, these Māyāvādī sannyāsīs were challenged by the people that "Bhaktivedanta Swami has gone to foreign countries, and he established so many Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa temple. What did you do? If you say that you disagree with Bhaktivedanta Swami—you worship demigods—so how many demigods' temple you have established?" They challenge like that. "If you say that you are worshiper of Lord Śiva, why don't you go and establish a Śiva temple? You are sitting idly here."
Indian man (2): And Śiva always worshiped Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: That is another thing. That is another thing. They, "If you believe that Lord Śiva is the Supreme, why don't you go and establish? Why you are sitting here and declaring jagad-guru?" Their purpose was that "Either you worship Śiva or Kṛṣṇa, it doesn't matter, but if you would have done something, that would have spread the Hindu conception of. . . but you are not doing there anything. Why do you call yourself jagad-guru?" Yeh jitne bhi hain yeh log sab bade-bade sab wahi "van dham mein siyal raja". (All these big big people are, "A jackal is the king in the forest.") And they do not go outside.
Indian man (2): They do not go outside because even the. . .
Prabhupāda: Even Gaṅgeśvarānanda went; he came back, disappointed. What they will do? Chinmayananda goes so many times. What does he do? (break) Vo van dham mein siyal raja. Jungle mein vo chatur bada raja. (A jackal is the king in the forest. In the jungle he is the big clever king.) He is so big, what does he have? What he has done? This thing going on. Phalena paricīyate. One has to be studied by the result, not by talking. It is not that Caitanya Mahāprabhu entrusted the subject of preaching only unto me. Why they do not go, the gosvāmīs, svāmīs, big, big sannyāsīs, and stalwart? Why they are rotting within this area?
Indian man (2): They know only how to criticize for nothing.
Prabhupāda: No, what is the meaning of that criticize? First of all you come to the stage.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Enviousness.
Prabhupāda: Now Bon Mahārāja, our Godbrother, went. What did he bring? He brought some HMD. HMD. You know HMD? You do not know?
Indian man (3): Hindustan Machine Tools.
Indian man (2): Ācchā. I see. When Bon Mahārāja came I asked him many things, many questions. He was praising, and he said that more than fifty percent people are liking our organization in USA. Only due to that, their children got saved from intoxication. And they are happy that their lives are also. . . that's what he told me. I told him, "What is your impression about our organization there, and how have you heard?" Then he told me everything. He also told me that one or two places you just tell.
Prabhupāda: . . . uske liy utna hi thik hai. ( . . . that much is alright for him.)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:. . . official said, "Hare Kṛṣṇa." When we went to. . .
Prabhupāda: They have been forced to forget Hare Kṛṣṇa by the so-called rascal leaders. Otherwise India is meant for chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, the whole India. (break). . . scandalous these Māyāvādīs, and next the politician, killing the spirit of India. These Māyāvādīs teaching, "Why you are after God? You are God." That's all. And he says: "Yes, I am God. Why shall I worship God?" This is the. . . and becoming God. . . when they do not get any relish of becoming God, then the politician says: "It is all useless. Come to the political field. Take daridra-nārāyaṇa-seva. That's all, finished." The Māyāvādī creates the field of atheism, and later on, the politician make them perfect atheist.