Carol Cameron: The only way to remove this darkness is through love. Is this what you are saying?
Prabhupāda: Love is far away. First of all you be educated.
Carol Cameron: How? In what way?
Prabhupāda: Education means right knowledge. Right knowledge. Just like everyone wants to live. Nobody wants to die. So the enquiry should be that, "I do not wish to die. Why death is forced upon me?" What is that force? What is the nature of that force? If I submit, "Yes, the force is there," then where is my knowledge? I do not wish to die. So why death is forced upon me? Nobody wants miserable condition of life, but miserable condition of life is enforced upon me. So this should be first of all enquired, that I do not want these things, and who is enforcing upon me these things? This is the first enquiry, philosophy.
Carol Cameron: I tend to approach from the other side and ask, "Who am I?" and "What is this thing that I call myself?"
Prabhupāda: It is everyone's problem. I don't want something, but something is enforced upon me. Just like you are now a young girl. You do not like to be old woman, but you will have to become old woman.
Carol Cameron: Become . . .?
Amogha: Old woman.
Carol Cameron: Oh, yes. Hmm.
Prabhupāda: Nature will force you that after such and such age, after forty years of age, you must become old, and you must not remain so beautiful. This is forced. But no one wants that. No woman wants that, "I shall look not beautiful, and my flesh should be flabby and no more luster." I don't want all these things. Why it is forced?