Prabhupāda: Yes. The mind is so strong. Every fish in the water, although they are expert, they're in always in danger. They are always afraid of being eaten by bigger fish. Nūnaṁ mahatāṁ tatra. The world is that the stronger is exploiting the weaker. Nūnaṁ mahatāṁ tatra. Jīvo jīvasya jīvanam (SB 1.13.47). Still, they are expert. (pause)
Indian man: Swāmījī, is it possible to visit other planets?
Prabhupāda: You have to be expert. Not by this machine.
Indian man: No. Astral traveling.
Prabhupāda: You have to prepare yourself.
Indian man: Prepare yourself.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Just like we had to prepare, to come to your country, visa and other things, not that all of a sudden I can come. Similarly, you have to prepare yourself to go to other planets. And because they are going whimsically, they are not successful. They have to come back: "Get down. Go back."
Indian man: Well, Swāmījī, if you want, you can answer this or not. Have you been to other planets?
Prabhupāda: I am on all planets. When I come to other country I see the same tree, the same road and the same sand. So what is the difference? I don't find any difference between India and this South Africa, because the same trees are there, same grass is there, the same road is there, the same. . . So similarly, in every planet, without going we can understand, if we are sane men. We come here not to see how is South Africa. We have come here to preach Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is our business. We don't come as a tourist to see how South Africa is. What South Africa? The same building, same road, same—everything same. What to see here? Especially, they are also eating, sleeping and struggling. That's all.
Indian man: That's a stink bug there.
Prabhupāda: Oh. Is there any difference between Los Angeles, America or San Francisco and this city? Is there any difference?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: No.
Prabhupāda: The same thing. Is there any place where people do not die? Then?
Indian man: Besides maybe Kṛṣṇaloka also.
Prabhupāda: That is another thing. Within this material.
Indian man: On earth, everywhere, everybody.
Prabhupāda: Our real problem is to go there, where there is no death. That is real intelligence. And what is the use of going here and there where death is inevitable?