Prabhupāda: No, no. You may say about congressman, and this one, Communist man; everyone is under . . .
Dr. Patel: Is a rascal.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is our verdict. Mūḍha. We understand from Bhagavad-gītā . . .
Dr. Patel: Why mūḍha, sir. Mudhatamaḥ!
Prabhupāda: Yes, vimūḍha. Therefore Prahlāda Mahārāja says not only mūḍha but vimūḍha; viśeṣa-mūḍha especifical.
Dr. Patel: (Hindi) He's a mūḍha.
Prabhupāda: Prahlāda Mahārāja says the same thing: tato vimūkha-cetasā (SB 7.9.43). Vimūkha cetasā means one who does not accept Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme. Tato vimukha-cetasa soce, and simply thinking of desires. "Who are this?" "Those who are nondevotees; one who does not surrender to Kṛṣṇa." Tato vimukha-cetasa. "So why you are searching?" "Māyā-sukhāya: simply for so-called sense gratification for a few days, bhāram udvahato vimūḍhān, making big, big plans. I am thinking of these rascals. What for they are making big, big plans? They will stay here for a few days, and forgetting Kṛṣṇa consciousness they are busy in making plans." This is Prahlāda Mahārāja. And Kṛṣṇa says they are mūḍha, vimūḍha. As soon as you find one not Kṛṣṇa conscious, he's immediately mūḍha, vimūḍha. Na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ prapadyante narādhamāḥ (BG 7.15).