Dr. Patel: It's all the really that the India is spoiled by American policy, Mr. Dulles's. And he spoiled the pitch, this Mr. Nehru. Nehru, being a flamboyant, highly arrogant man, and this fellow was another arrogant, and they clashed. And then they supported Pakistan, and all the small things, and the Americans lost lot of money on these small wars, practically. I mean, instead of that much money was given away to poor countries this was not . . . (indistinct) . . . It was Dulles who got United States to this present condition. We should have insulated this country after svarāj—not selling anything, not taking anything. Produce yourself or starve and die . . . (indistinct) . . . People don't work when they get food like that.
Prabhupāda: I am simply surprised when I compare British days and nowadays. My practical experience—one of my maternal uncles, he's a very big, rich man. He was; he is not existing. So he was doing business, rice exporting. So in Calcutta, Chaitra side, he had big, big godown full of rice. Not only he, other merchants also. But now they are empty. Similarly, from Bombay the oil seeds are being exported.
Dr. Patel: Yes. Last year they exported so much of this groundnut. Groundnut oil was costlier than ghee. These government servants . . .
Gurudāsa: All of them. They export everything.
Dr. Patel: They export, I mean, rice, and rice is not sufficient. Now I understand they are . . . (indistinct) . . . rascals. And I called, them, some of them, rascal. He said "Who do you think you are? Guru?" (laughter) That actually is . . . (indistinct) . . . This government is really mad.