Prabhupāda: If somebody's sleeping, just like owl, he cannot see the sun. The sun is a fact, but the owl cannot see.
Karandhara: The owl can see if it looks at it.
Prabhupāda: Yes, but . . . therefore if you look, then you'll see.
Karandhara: Well, they think they are looking.
Prabhupāda: No, they are not looking, not in the process.
Yaśomatīnandana: And God is also obvious to them in different manifestations.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Yaśomatīnandana: Birth, death, old age, disease, then trees, sun, the moon, the stars, the planets. These are also different manifestations of God.
Karandhara: No, there's no need to accept that's a God.
Yaśomatīnandana: Well, there are different manifestations of God. Just like we don't know the sun planet in its full details. We just know that there is . . .
Prabhupāda: No, the sun, here it is not fully risen. But there is some place, sun is now full-fledged. But because you are here, you cannot say: "The sun cannot be full-fledged." But that's a fact. Now in India—not India; somewhere else—the sun is now twelve o'clock, is it not?
Prajāpati: Hawaii.
Prabhupāda: Yes, there is time difference. But they are seeing, "Oh, sun is so full-fledged, so shining." You are not seeing. That is your inefficiency.
Karandhara: But they are able to experience that by their traveling.
Prabhupāda: Yes, so if you travel, you will also experience. Tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet (MU 1.2.12). Then you'll also experience. We don't say that you are unable to, but if you adopt the process you'll also know.
Prajāpati: There's a large group today, Śrīla Prabhupāda, called humanists, and they have decided that this concept of God, it is not very useful. "We can solve all the problems ourselves."
Prabhupāda: Yes, just see. They are are rascals. You see, humanists, they are professing humanists and they are killing so many human being daily. You see? These are all escapism. What is called?
Hṛdayānanda: Skepticism?
Prabhupāda: No.
Karandhara: Escapism.
Prabhupāda: Scaping?
Karandhara: Escaping?
Prabhupāda: Escaping? Yes. They could not find any, I mean to say, solace, and now humanity . . . what they can do? There are so many people suffering in the human society. What they can do? Suppose they are opening hospitals. Is that guarantee for a cure of disease or no death? Then what is the humanity. You cannot do anything.
You may advertise yourself, "I have opened so many advertisement . . . er, hospitals and beds," but what you can do? Is that guarantee that there that there will be no disease and everyone will be cured, nobody will die? Then what is the humanitarianism. You cannot do anything.