Prabhupāda: Oh. There is lightning. So many ways, they are trying to save. But nature will not allow them to be saved. They must die. But the struggle for existence is that everyone is demon. The Vaiṣṇava, they do not attempt like that. Tathā dehāntara-prāptir dhīras tatra na muhyati (BG 2.13).
Dehāntara-prāptir, another achievement or another body. So a Vaiṣṇava is not disturbed. They simply reserve the prerogative to become a devotee. Never mind—next life. Hundreds of lives there may be. Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, mama janmani janmanīśvare bhavatād bhaktir ahaitukī tvayi (CC Antya 20.29, Śikṣāṣṭaka 4):
"Never mind, I will take My birth one after another." But the demons, they do not believe in God or God’s service or next life. These are the demons. They are thinking that this is the chance for sense enjoyment. Therefore they are trying to save in so many ways and engage the duration of life, as much as possible, varieties of sense gratification. This is demon. They don't know that after this body is finished, everything. So here is an opportunity to enjoy sense gratification. Therefore they are manufacturing so many varieties of sense gratification. They have no hope. And the Christian religion also says that they will go to hell or they will go to heaven. Destined. You have read Bible?
Devotee:(4) No.
Prabhupāda: So one is destined to go to heaven?
Devotee:(4) They’re teaching that.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Devotee:(4) They’re teaching that.
Prabhupāda: Ah. That one is destined? Then what is the use of taking to Jesus Christ if I am destined to go to hell?
Govinda dāsī: You can be saved from going to hell.
Prabhupāda: Hah. Then say that even though one is destined, he can be saved. That should be the philosophy.
Śyāmasundara: He does. St. Paul does say that. He says it’s a mystery that although we are destined, still we can be saved.
Prabhupāda: That is reasonable. Taking to shelter of God or God’s son, one is saved. That is reasonable. But what is this philosophy that one is destined to go to hell, one is destined to go to heaven? This philosophy is not very nice. Just like we quoted one verse, kirāta-hūṇāndhra-pulinda: these are destined to go to hell. But śudhyanti, by the association of pure devotees, they can be purified. Śudhyanti. Yad-apāśrayāśrayāḥ, ye 'nye ca pāpā (SB 2.4.18). However sinful maybe, never mind what is the magnitude of the sinful activities, śudhyanti: he can be purified by the pure devotee. So that is real knowledge. And what is this, that one is destined to go to hell, destined to go to heaven?