Prabhupāda: . . . that everyone is doing his own duty. Never mind if you are Christian or if you are a Muslim or a Hindu, that what is your duty, what is said in your scripture, you must be doing it. Not that "Because it is secular, I can do whatever I like."
Governor: Secular means I respect you, not only I am Hindu or do what I do . . . scripture teaches.
Prabhupāda: Secular means impartial.
Governor: But also not coming the way of a Muslim we . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: No, there is no need. Secular means government's duty is that "You call yourself a Hindu. Whether you are acting as Hindu? You call yourself as Muslim. Whether you are acting as Muslim?" This is government's duty. Government does not say or prefer that "You are Christian. It is not good. You become Hindu." No, that is not government's . . . You remain your Christian, but government's duty is that whether he is acting as Christian. This is government's duty. Not that you are acting like a something else, and you are calling yourself Christian; you are acting like a śūdra, and you are advertising yourself as a brāhmaṇa. So just like a, what is called, quack. If he writes, "Dr. Something," that is punishable. But you are quack. That's all right. You can take a certificate that you have got some experience. The registered medical practitioner, I think that is . . . But what is this, that you are proclaiming yourself as a. . . (chuckles) So character means a class of men there must be, maybe very few, but they are actually men of character. Just like I am teaching them no illicit sex, no meat-eating, no gambling, no intoxication. This is basic principle. Otherwise, where is his character? You are doing all nonsense, and still, you are proclaiming yourself as brāhmaṇa. This should be stopped. And a training college should be there how to make a real brāhmaṇa. I have given the example . . .
Governor: Vānaprastha college.
Prabhupāda: Vānaprastha college, yes. That is the very essential thing at the present moment, that a class of men . . . Just like the same example: If one wants to become an engineer, he must be properly trained up. If he wants to become a medical man, he must be properly trained up. Similarly, if one wants to become a brāhmaṇa, then he must be properly trained up, or even if one does not want, the state should maintain a college where a real brāhmaṇa is trained up. Just like Sir Ashutosh Mukherjee, when he opened some higher studies of academic qualification, so there was one or two students, and there were three professors drawing at least twelve hundred rupees per month. So twelve hundred rupees per month, that means thirty-six hundred, expenditure, and the . . . Ācchā. Betiye . . . .income is thirty-six rupees. It is not the question of money, but it is the question of culture. So even though at the present moment people are not inclined to become a brāhmaṇa, I tried it. I tried it before starting this movement. I tried to some friends that "You have got four sons. Give me one son. I shall train him how to become a perfect brāhmaṇa." Nobody agreed. They said, "Swāmījī, (Hindi)." But if there is not a ideal class of brāhmaṇa, then how you can say that "You become moralist"? If there is no example of moralist, how you can ask people, "Become moralist"?