Prabhupāda: So everyone is servant.
Indian man (1): No, sir, servant is always serving in the government . . .
Prabhupāda: So they are servant. So every one of us is a servant. But this service has not pleased us. Therefore we are seeking other service—the service of the Supreme.
Indian man (1): Sir, what is the way to serve the Supreme?
Prabhupāda: That is another thing. Just like a servant, when he is not pleased somehow or other with the master, he seeks another service. Is it not?
Indian man (1): Right.
Prabhupāda: Similarly, the service in this material world will never please us, neither the master. Take for example Gandhi. He gave so much service to his country, to his countrymen, but what was the result? He was shot dead. So who can please more than Gandhi? So we should take lesson from this, that if you are engaged in rendering service to the material world, neither you'll be happy nor the master will be happy. It is simply waste of time.
Indian man (2): Waste of time.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Indian man (2): No, those who are fighting for the country . . .
Prabhupāda: Eh! Any way, any way, material service is simply waste of time.
Guest (1): Sir, actually what is spiritual service?
Prabhupāda: Spiritual service—to render service to Kṛṣṇa as Kṛṣṇa says: sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja (BG 18.66). Then you'll be happy.
Indian man (2): No, but those who are freedom fighters, they are actually on the wrong path? Freedom fighters.
Prabhupāda: No, no. Everyone who is not serving Kṛṣṇa, he is in the wrong path.
Indian man (2): But Kṛṣṇa means . . . who is He? Is He a personal or impersonal?
Prabhupāda: Person. Service means person.
Indian man (2): Person?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Unless you are person, I am person, how I can serve you or how you can accept service?
Indian man (2): Means what is God and Kṛṣṇa? Is there any difference?
Prabhupāda: God is person. That I am saying.
Indian man (2): God is person?
Prabhupāda: Yes, like you, as you are talking with me, I am talking with you.
Guest (1): Sir, He is not infinite.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That you have to understand, that although He is person, He is infinite. That you have to understand. That is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā.
Indian man (2): Sir, in Bhagavad-gītā . . .
Prabhupāda: He! One man. If you argue in that way, many people, then there will be no answer. You should know the etiquette. How can I answer so many person at a time? So this infinite is explained, infiniteness. Kṛṣṇa says, māyā tatam idaṁ sarvam: "I am infinitely everywhere." Māyā tatam idaṁ sarvaṁ jagad avyakta-mūrtina (BG 9.4). Just like here in this room, do you think there is no government in this room? Do you think there is no government within this room?
Indian man (1): Yes, I think there is some government.
Prabhupāda: There is. But that . . . it is not . . . there is no representative of government, but still, we are under the government. This is avyakta. The government is there, but it doesn't mean that the prime minister or the president is there. Similarly, Kṛṣṇa is everywhere, but He says, māyā tatam idaṁ sarvaṁ jagat avyakta-mūrtina—unmanifest