Prabhupāda: You may think, but we have concluded that there is nothing, such thing, which can satisfy everyone. It is not possible.
Guest (1): Until we hear all, we may do that . . .
Prabhupāda: That may be an idea. But we take Kṛṣṇa as the highest authority. Even Kṛṣṇa's words are not accepted. That's a fact. Kṛṣṇa says: "You surrender unto Me." So a few persons might have surrendered to Him. Even Kṛṣṇa was present, only the Pāṇḍavas and the inhabitants of the Vṛndāvana and Dvārakā, some of them understood that Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme. But many did not accept Him. Many insulted Him. Just like Śiśupāla insulted Him. So even Kṛṣṇa could not be accepted.
Guest (1): Accept . . . I accept every person. That is no question of accepting or . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no, your . . . I have summarized that first of all you have come to inquire from us that our standard of knowledge is Kṛṣṇa. If you accept Kṛṣṇa as the standard of perfection of knowledge, then there is possibility of our talking. Otherwise simply waste of time. Why should we waste our time? Our standard is Kṛṣṇa.
If you are agreeable to accept the standard of Kṛṣṇa, then there is possibility. Just like here is a lawyer. He goes to the lawyer. He speaks, he pleads, on the standard of the law books. If somebody comes, "No, no, I don't accept this," then there is no question of argument. Both the lawyers are arguing. The central point is the law book. So you must have a central point on which we shall talk. If you have no central point . . .
Guest (1): Central point of happiness is there now.
Prabhupāda: Yes, your point is happiness; my point is happiness. That is all right. But what is that happiness? Just like the same example can be that two litigants, they have gone to the court. Their aim is justice. But how that justice can be had, that is an argument, and on the point of law. Similarly, everyone's point is happiness. And what is that standard of happiness, that you have to take from some authority. That authority we accept Kṛṣṇa.
And if you don't accept Kṛṣṇa, then we cannot come to the conclusion what is happiness. So you will simply waste our time.
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(break) You see? It was . . . sometimes the light was coming, sometimes . . . that means they were adjusting. There was some meeting, adjusting. As soon as it is coming to the real point, it was light. And as soon as not in the real point, there is no light. So it is a science. Therefore the Vedas says, tad-vijñānam. It is a vijñāna. It is not a theoretical, whimsical . . .
Guest (1): It is to be felt.
Prabhupāda: Ah. Yes. It is to be learned, just like the electrician learns how to adjust the positive and negative wire, and as soon as it is rightly adjusted there is light. You cannot say: "No, no, why it shall be adjusted like this? It can be done like this." Oh, that will not give you light. You cannot speculate on the science. One plus . . . two plus two equal to four. You cannot speculate, "Oh, can it not be three? Cannot be five?" No, that is not possible. You have to accept this two plus two equal to four.