Prabhupāda: In Bhagavad-gītā it is said duḥkhālayam. This is a place for suffering only. This material world is a place for suffering. It is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, duḥkhālayam . . . and that suffering, that also you, you cannot make any, what is called, compromise. "All right, it is suffering. I shall remain here." But that also you cannot. Some day nature will kick you out: "Get out." Duḥkhālayam aśāśvatam (BG 8.15).
Even if you accept this place of misery to be your permanent residence, that also you cannot have. You have to go out. Today or tomorrow or fifty years after, you have to go. That is the mistake. I am thinking, "Now I have got this American body," or this body, that body. "I am very happy." But how long you'll remain in this condition? Any moment you will be kicked out. This is laws of nature. Therefore my intelligence will, will be shown when you are trying for the real, eternal life. That is wanted.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: So these sufferings, also due to the desire of the individual soul.
Prabhupāda: That . . . the . . . suffering is there. Suppose you are in the ocean. It is suffering, but if you have got a good ship, you may think that, "I'm very well situated." That good ship also can sink at any moment. Suffering is always there. You cannot avoid the suffering, because you are in the ocean. Suppose you are in the air in a very nice plane. Does it mean you are secure? Any moment it can be . . .