Prabhupāda: So for the satisfaction of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, we sometimes do that. But we collect money from them not for our sense gratification, but constructing this temple.
Indian man (1): For the general public and . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Indian man (1): . . . country and . . .
Prabhupāda: And unless we have got temple like this, nobody would come. If I sit down here, "Bhaktivedanta Swami is sitting here," nobody will come. (laughter)
Indian man (1): But people, like poor people, like come to the . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: But Caitanya Mahāprabhu, He is God. He can attract any man. But I am not God. I have to attract people by some opulence.
Indian man (2): But Prabhupāda, in the beginning, you attracted in the park everyone. When you went to America, you were chanting and attracting people just in the park. Same place. (laughter)
Prabhupāda: Now, at that time, only Brahmānanda was attracted. (laughter) Not you. Not you.
Indian man (2): Only because he was sincere soul.
Prabhupāda: This Brahmānanda and Acyutānanda, they first danced in my chanting in the park. The photograph was published in the Times of New York.
Indian man (1): And I heard that your first devotee in America, Kīrtanīyā.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Indian man (1): Kīrtanīyā Swami.
Prabhupāda: Kīrtanānanda Swami.
Indian man (1): Kīrtanānanda Swami.
Prabhupāda: Yes, he is next. He is next.
Indian man (1): Oh, yes. I met him.
Prabhupāda: He came next. Brahmānanda came first.
Kīrtanānanda: No, I came first. (laughter)
Prabhupāda: No. You were present in that Tompkinson Square?
Kīrtanānanda: Before that.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Kīrtanānanda: Before that.
Prabhupāda: Oh, before that. Yes, yes. Yes, I . . .
Indian man (1): I asked him. And somebody, some devotee . . .
Prabhupāda: Brahmānanda, you are defeated. (laughter) So kīrtana is glorious than brahma-jñāna. (laughter)
Indian man (1): And some devotee introduced me with him that, "He is the first devotee of Prabhupāda in America, in foreign."
Prabhupāda: Yes. He's also a priest's son, coming from very respectable, priestly order family.
Indian man (1): Last few days, we were enjoying a good day.
Indian man (2): But there are so many disciples of one guru. Are they come all in bona fide disciplic succession?
Prabhupāda: Hmm? Well, everyone is in a bona fide disciplic succession provided he keeps that tradition. Keeps that tradition. Āpani ācari prabhu jīve śikhāilā (Caitanya Mahāprabhu). One must behave that, "I belong to this disciplic succession. I must keep myself fit for the post." Then it is all right. If he deviates, then he deviates the disciplic succession. Hare Kṛṣṇa. (pause) Caitanya Mahāprabhu says frankly that . . . this is disciplic succession: āmāra ājñāya, "Just carry out My order." Then you are in disciplic succession. If you do not keep yourself in the order of Caitanya Mahāprabhu, then simply by becoming disciple you are not in the disciplic succession. This is disciplic succession. Caitanya Mahāprabhu said this clearly, āmāra ājñāya guru haña tāra ei: "Wherever you live, you become a spiritual master." How? Yāre dekha tāre kaha kṛṣṇa-upadeśa (CC Madhya 7.128): "Whomever you meet, you only speak what Kṛṣṇa has instructed." Then you are disciplic succession. It doesn't matter what you are and where you are. It doesn't matter. This is disciplic succession. And if you think, "Now I am initiated, I am now liberated. I have no other business," then you are not in the disciplic succession. You must preach. That is disciplic succession.
Indian man (1): This is the definition of a disciple.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Āmāra ājñāya guru haña tāra ei deśa, yāre dekha . . . you have to . . . anywhere, any friend, any businessman, "Are you Kṛṣṇa conscious? Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa." That's all. What is the loss in that? "My dear friend, I request you to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra." Where is the difficulty?
Brahmānanda: Even a child like Sarasvatī, she does.
Prabhupāda: Yes? Ah, yes.
Indian man (1): She asks everyone. Every child, she will say: "Jump!" "Jump, Jump, Jump!" And she will . . .
Prabhupāda: And if he does not, she'll say, "Śyāmasundara, here is a karmī." (laughter) They're . . . our gosāi in Rādhā-Dāmodara temple, he was smoking. "Mālatī, Mālatī, see this old man is smoking."
Indian man (2): "Take this bīḍī out. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa," she was telling. "Take out this bīḍī and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa."
Prabhupāda: Just see. "He's smoking bīḍī." This man became little ashamed. "Yes, my girl, I'll give it up by and by." She was surprised that a man is smoking. (japa) (break) . . . dṛḍha-vrata, vows, very rigidly. Bhajante māṁ dṛḍha-vratāḥ (BG 7.28). So if I'm unable, there is no need of starving. No. Because if you become diseased, then your bhajana will be hampered. So you can do it.