Devotee (4): What I meant to say is that the directors of these religions, like the Pope and so many things, they themselves have committed so many abominable activities that people have said, "Well, why should we stay with religion? These religious leaders themselves are eating meat, they have prostitution, they are cheating the people, taking their money, living very nicely . . ."
Prabhupāda: But that is not religion. Why you accept the Pope as religious?
Devotee (4): No, we don't accept . . .
Prabhupāda: You reject. You reject. Come to us. Why do you accept these rascals as religious? That is your fault. Why should you stick to them, that they cannot teach what is real religion? So let us give you.
Kṛṣṇadāsa: In Germany they say that's throwing the baby out with the dirty bath water.
Prabhupāda: Throwing? (laughter)
Kṛṣṇadāsa: They wash the baby, and the water's dirty. So they throw the water out with the baby.
Prabhupāda: Throwing out the baby? With the . . .?
Devotee (4): With the bath water.
Kṛṣṇadāsa: Well, they're assuming because there's some irreligion amongst the so-called religious leaders, therefore they reject all religion.
Prabhupāda: No.
Kṛṣṇadāsa: Scientists, I mean.
Prabhupāda: No, why? Because you have received some counterfeit coin, therefore you should reject all coins?
Kṛṣṇadāsa: That's the logic.
Prabhupāda: That is not logic; that is foolishness.