Prabhupāda: Yajña means to satisfy the Supreme Lord. That is yajña. So in the Kali-yuga the yajña is made very easy: chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. So anywhere you go, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, and see that there will be clouds, there will be rainfall, and just work little, you get your food grains, and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Yogeśvara: They won't like that idea.
Prabhupāda: That means their... That is their disease. The same thing, that "Why you are sitting here? Come with me, work." "What shall I do by working?" "You get money. Then you'll enjoy." "And I am already enjoying." That they will not do. This is called māyā. Māyā-sukhāya bharam udvahato vimūḍhān (SB 7.9.43). These rascals, simply for little temporary, so-called benefit, they have created this working civilization, "Work very hard, very hard." That's all. Whole history... In this Rome city you can see. There are evidences. These buildings are constructed with hard labor. Now those rascals have gone, and they are maintaining, that "They worked so hard." That's all. Those who worked very hard, they have gone away. Now nobody knows where they are and what they have become. But they are maintaining their bricks. That's all. Brick civilization. (japa) (break)
Yogeśvara: No one goes into the park at night. Too dangerous.
Prabhupāda: Just see. They have created such a civilization.
Yogeśvara: The little boy of President John Kennedy was in Central Park last week, and another boy came and pushed him to the ground and stole his bicycle. The president's son.
Prabhupāda: From the very beginning, stealing and robbing. What is this picture? One horse without any...
Yogeśvara: I think it is the horse of the hunter.
Prabhupāda: Oh. (aside:) Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Italian devotee: They're the knights that live in the mountains here. It's called Alpina, live in the Alps.
Prabhupāda: Ah. (break) ...spoken by Kṛṣṇa,
- annād bhavanti bhūtāni
- parjanyād anna-sambhavaḥ
- yajñād bhavati parjanyo
- yajñaḥ karma-samudbhavaḥ
- (BG 3.14)
Satsvarūpa: Prabhupāda, in the Kṛṣṇa book, Kṛṣṇa Himself argues that you don't need... He argues at the time of the Indra sacrifice that you don't need yajña; the rain will come anyway. That's what they say nowadays.
Prabhupāda: That was to irritate Indra. (laughter)
Satsvarūpa: But they take that argument of His. Where is the proof that the rains are controlled by God?
Prabhupāda: No, no. Kṛṣṇa says the rain will come, but Kṛṣṇa never says that without rain you can cultivate. So Kṛṣṇa's purpose was, "Because I am the Supreme Lord, Indra will supply, his father will supply." So that is another thing. Kṛṣṇa never said that "Without rain, you can cultivate." Never said.