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| == Conversations and Morning Walks == | | [[Category:We (Disciples of SP)]] |
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| === 1977 Conversations and Morning Walks === | | [[Category:Or Not]] |
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| <span class="q_heading">'''So there is no doubt about it that I am the representative of God. Either you dream or not dream, I claim.'''</span> | | [[Category:Claim]] |
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| <span class="CON-statistics">'''[[Vanisource:Room Conversation -- January 28, 1977, Bhuvanesvara|Room Conversation -- January 28, 1977, Bhuvanesvara]]:''' | | [[Category:Prabhupada and His Position]] |
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| Pṛthu-putra: ...to show me. They were telling me that "You are going to see the representative of God." And when I came to that vision, I saw the person. At that time I didn't know who (it) was. But I had some doubts in my mind, and I was thinking, "Oh, that's probably another kind of propaganda." This was all in the dream. But when I came to that person sitting on the elevated seat in that forest, surrounded by many, many devotees, that person looked at me and proved to me that he was the representative of God. But after, I forgot. Maybe one year or something like this. One or two years after... | | [[Category:Prabhupada Speaks - Room Conversations, 1977]] |
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| Prabhupāda: So there is no doubt about it that I am the representative of God. | | </div> |
| | | <div id="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="section" sec_index="5" parent="compilation" text="Conversations and Morning Walks"><h2>Conversations and Morning Walks</h2> |
| Pṛthu-putra: Yes. But when I was... | | </div> |
| | | <div id="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" class="sub_section" sec_index="10" parent="Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" text="1977 Conversations and Morning Walks"><h3>1977 Conversations and Morning Walks</h3> |
| Prabhupāda: Either you dream or not dream, I claim. | | </div> |
| | | <div id="RoomConversation1January281977Bhuvanesvara_0" class="quote" parent="1977_Conversations_and_Morning_Walks" book="Con" index="61" link="Room Conversation 1 -- January 28, 1977, Bhuvanesvara" link_text="Room Conversation 1 -- January 28, 1977, Bhuvanesvara"> |
| Pṛthu-putra: Yes. But this thing was just confirming. When I saw you the first time in Amsterdam, you were the same person that I saw in my dream one or two years previously. | | <div class="heading">So there is no doubt about it that I am the representative of God. Either you dream or not dream, I claim. |
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| Prabhupāda: That... You have read Caitanya-caritāmṛta? Guru-tattva. Guru-tattva. So there it is clearly said that guru is the manifestation of God. So it is confirmed in the śāstra. And all the ācāryas accept it. Yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādaḥ **. | | <mp3player>https://s3.amazonaws.com/vanipedia/clip/770128R1-BHU_clip.mp3</mp3player> |
| | | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Room Conversation 1 -- January 28, 1977, Bhuvanesvara|Room Conversation 1 -- January 28, 1977, Bhuvanesvara]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Pṛthu-putra: ...to show me. They were telling me that "You are going to see the representative of God." And when I came to that vision, I saw the person. At that time I didn't know who (it) was. But I had some doubts in my mind, and I was thinking, "Oh, that's probably another kind of propaganda." This was all in the dream. But when I came to that person sitting on the elevated seat in that forest, surrounded by many, many devotees, that person looked at me and proved to me that he was the representative of God. But after, I forgot. Maybe one year or something like this. One or two years after...</p> |
| Satsvarūpa: But is it possible to also learn spiritual truths from this..., from representatives on the subtle plane? | | <p>Prabhupāda: So there is no doubt about it that I am the representative of God.</p> |
| | | <p>Pṛthu-putra: Yes. But when I was...</p> |
| Prabhupāda: There is no question of subtle plane. You are on the gross plane. You first of all study gross things, and subtle, we shall see later on. | | <p>Prabhupāda: Either you dream or not dream, I claim.</p> |
| | | <p>Pṛthu-putra: Yes. But this thing was just confirming. When I saw you the first time in Amsterdam, you were the same person that I saw in my dream one or two years previously.</p> |
| Pṛthu-putra: Of course, that was never a doubt. That's just the way I came to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And when I saw you... | | <p>Prabhupāda: That... You have read Caitanya-caritāmṛta? Guru-tattva. Guru-tattva. So there it is clearly said that guru is the manifestation of God. So it is confirmed in the śāstra. And all the ācāryas accept it. Yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādaḥ **.</p> |
| | | <p>Satsvarūpa: But is it possible to also learn spiritual truths from this..., from representatives on the subtle plane?</p> |
| Prabhupāda: So the guru is the representative of God. That's all right. Then what is your misunderstanding? | | <p>Prabhupāda: There is no question of subtle plane. You are on the gross plane. You first of all study gross things, and subtle, we shall see later on.</p> |
| | | <p>Pṛthu-putra: Of course, that was never a doubt. That's just the way I came to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And when I saw you...</p> |
| Pṛthu-putra: So then after I had some other things. For example, when I went to Egypt, in these pyramids one day I had some kind of contact on the subtle plane with persons who were supposed to live inside of the pyramids, and they gave me some kind of instructions. | | <p>Prabhupāda: So the guru is the representative of God. That's all right. Then what is your misunderstanding?</p> |
| | | <p>Pṛthu-putra: So then after I had some other things. For example, when I went to Egypt, in these pyramids one day I had some kind of contact on the subtle plane with persons who were supposed to live inside of the pyramids, and they gave me some kind of instructions.</p> |
| Prabhupāda: Inside of the pyramid? | | <p>Prabhupāda: Inside of the pyramid?</p> |
| | | <p>Pṛthu-putra: Yes. That was (wasn't) in the dream. But people, they were quite clear.</p> |
| Pṛthu-putra: Yes. That was (wasn't) in the dream. But people, they were quite clear. | | <p>Prabhupāda: These are just like we know gold and we know mountain...</p> |
| | | <p>Pṛthu-putra: Yes.</p> |
| Prabhupāda: These are just like we know gold and we know mountain... | | <p>Prabhupāda: ...and sometimes we mix together and we see golden mountain. So in dream we see like that. We have got hundreds and thousands of experiences in our this life and past life. They are all stocked there, and they can sometimes get like a bubbles. You have seen the bubbles come out? It is like that. We should not give much importance to these things. But it is a fact that bona fide spiritual master is bona fide representative of Kṛṣṇa. That's a fact. So there is no question of subtle or gross. It is a fact. That's all right.</p> |
| | | <p>Satsvarūpa: But we've been discussing, and Pṛthu-putra Mahārāja is saying that some devotees are very sensitive about thinking that they're having these experiences. And if we tell them, "Ignore this. It's not important," that will not be good for them, because they are definitely feeling visits from persons from another plane, and if you simply tell them, "No..."</p> |
| Pṛthu-putra: Yes. | | <p>Prabhupāda: No, that's all right. You say that "You are fortunate that you're having, but do your business." That's all.</p> |
| | | <p>Pṛthu-putra: They want to feel satisfaction from Kṛṣṇa consciousness point of view.</p> |
| Prabhupāda: ...and sometimes we mix together and we see golden mountain. So in dream we see like that. We have got hundreds and thousands of experiences in our this life and past life. They are all stocked there, and they can sometimes get like a bubbles. You have seen the bubbles come out? It is like that. We should not give much importance to these things. But it is a fact that bona fide spiritual master is bona fide representative of Kṛṣṇa. That's a fact. So there is no question of subtle or gross. It is a fact. That's all right. | | <p>Prabhupāda: That's all right. Sometimes it may be fact. There is no wonder. But we have to proceed with the figure. If I dream that I am getting one lakh of rupees, so it is better if I get five rupees in figure. Is that all right?</p> |
| | | <p>Pṛthu-putra: Yes.</p> |
| Satsvarūpa: But we've been discussing, and Pṛthu-putra Mahārāja is saying that some devotees are very sensitive about thinking that they're having these experiences. And if we tell them, "Ignore this. It's not important," that will not be good for them, because they are definitely feeling visits from persons from another plane, and if you simply tell them, "No..." | | <p>Prabhupāda: Simply dreaming I am getting one lakh of rupees, that is good, or actually, if you get five rupees, that is good? Which is good?</p> |
| | | <p>Pṛthu-putra: To get the actual five rupees.</p> |
| Prabhupāda: No, that's all right. You say that "You are fortunate that you're having, but do your business." That's all. | | <p>Prabhupāda: So don't depend on the subtle thing. See practically what you are getting.</p> |
| | | <p>Satsvarūpa: What I thought was most dangerous is...</p> |
| Pṛthu-putra: They want to feel satisfaction from Kṛṣṇa consciousness point of view. | | <p>Prabhupāda: Most dangerous... Those who are neophyte, they will be always in danger.</p> |
| | | <p>Satsvarūpa: Sometimes these...</p> |
| Prabhupāda: That's all right. Sometimes it may be fact. There is no wonder. But we have to proceed with the figure. If I dream that I am getting one lakh of rupees, so it is better if I get five rupees in figure. Is that all right? | | <p>Prabhupāda: Always in danger because they are neophytes, just like a child is always in danger. So how you can save them? He's always in danger. So as far as possible, let us try. He's going to the fire. He's going to the water. He's going to the animal. He's eating some poison. So always in danger. That childish age is dangerous. Therefore mother takes care. Danger is already there because he's neophyte, kaniṣṭha-adhikārī. Therefore we have to abide by the injunction of the śāstra and guided by guru. That's all. That is our secure position. And otherwise danger always.</p> |
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| Pṛthu-putra: Yes. | | </div> |
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| Prabhupāda: Simply dreaming I am getting one lakh of rupees, that is good, or actually, if you get five rupees, that is good? Which is good? | |
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| Pṛthu-putra: To get the actual five rupees. | |
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| Prabhupāda: So don't depend on the subtle thing. See practically what you are getting. | |
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| Satsvarūpa: What I thought was most dangerous is... | |
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| Prabhupāda: Most dangerous... Those who are neophyte, they will be always in danger. | |
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| Satsvarūpa: Sometimes these... | |
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| Prabhupāda: Always in danger because they are neophytes, just like a child is always in danger. So how you can save them? He's always in danger. So as far as possible, let us try. He's going to the fire. He's going to the water. He's going to the animal. He's eating some poison. So always in danger. That childish age is dangerous. Therefore mother takes care. Danger is already there because he's neophyte, kaniṣṭha-adhikārī. Therefore we have to abide by the injunction of the śāstra and guided by guru. That's all. That is our secure position. And otherwise danger always.</span> | |
