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| <div class="heading">Kurukṣetra is there, it is a pilgrimage, and in the past history, five thousand years ago, two sections of the same family, Kuru family... One section was known as Pāṇḍava and the other section as Kurus. They had to fight on political reason. This is historical. So there is no question of misinterpreting it. The difficulty is, as soon as we misinterpret to our whims, to show our scholarship, it is spoiled. Don't do that. Read it as it is and you will get the benefit. | | <div class="heading">Kurukṣetra is there, it is a pilgrimage, and in the past history, five thousand years ago, two sections of the same family, Kuru family... One section was known as Pāṇḍava and the other section as Kurus. They had to fight on political reason. This is historical. So there is no question of misinterpreting it. The difficulty is, as soon as we misinterpret to our whims, to show our scholarship, it is spoiled. Don't do that. Read it as it is and you will get the benefit. |
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| <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 7.1 -- Durban, October 9, 1975|Lecture on BG 7.1 -- Durban, October 9, 1975]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;">Prabhupāda: What is that question?</p> | | |
| <p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: What is your question?</p>
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| <p>Indian man (1): Oh, in punishing the intelligence of man, does he know the right from the wrong according to the karma? Does man have to pay one way to others in different forms of life?</p>
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| <p>Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: The question is that man knows right from wrong because of his karma, or...</p>
| | <span class="link">[[Vanisource:Lecture on BG 7.1 -- Durban, October 9, 1975|Lecture on BG 7.1 -- Durban, October 9, 1975]]: </span><div class="text"><p style="display: inline;"> |
| <p>Prabhupāda: No. Karma may be. Just like you are sent to school, college, to understand the right and wrong. Therefore you must be educated to know what is right and wrong, not that you do like animals, whatever you like. There is education required, and because we have no education, therefore there are so many books of knowledge, Vedic knowledge. You have to take advantage of it, and then you'll understand what is right and wrong. Otherwise not.</p>
| | Indian man (2): Since the ''Bhagavad-gītā ''is the confidential message of from Lord Kṛṣṇa to Arjuna, can Swāmījī please explain how is it that Sañjaya is narrating to Dhṛtarāṣṭra, and how it came to pass that Vyāsadeva wrote the ''Bhagavad-gītā''? |
| <p>Indian man (1): According to the present situation here in South Africa...</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: So you can take advantage.</p>
| | Prabhupāda: It is just like television nowadays. You can see things happening thousands of miles away in television, and you can explain to your friends. This is like that. It is a question of seeing power. So now we have got the instrument, television machine. It is not difficult to understand. In the football ground the matches is going on, and it is being relayed in your room. It is like that. |
| <p>Indian man (1): Man has a very... The question is most of the African people here are not educated in spite of their education. They look upon a man of intelligence...</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: The real education... Real education is, first of all, you must know what you are. You are this body or something else than the body? Just like when a man dies, his son or relative laments, "Oh, my father has gone away." Now, father is lying there on the bed. Why do you say, "My father has gone away"? The father is lying on the bed. Therefore you did not see who is your father. After death you are realizing that your father is gone away. (applause) Then where is your education? You cannot see even your father; then where is your education? This is no education. Therefore you must know "What I am, what is my father, what is my mother." That is real education.</p>
| | Indian man (3): Swāmījī, of all holy scriptures we have two books available to follow, and one is the ''Rāmāyaṇa ''and one is the ''Śrī Bhagavad-gītā''. Can you give us or tell us who . . . (indistinct) . . .? 'Cause some people offer the reason that according to the ''Rāmāyaṇa ''we follow Rāma and Sītā as God. Can you just inform us the real or tell us who is our, the most of our . . . (indistinct) . . .? |
| <p>Indian man (2): The Bhagavad-gītā is the confidential message of from Lord Kṛṣṇa to Arjuna. Can Swamiji please explain how is it that Sañjaya is to Dhṛtarāṣṭra and how it came to pass that Vyāsadeva wrote the Bhagavad-gītā?</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: It is just like television nowadays. You can see things happening thousands of miles away in television, and you can explain to your friends. This is like that. It is a question of seeing power. So now we have got the instrument, television machine. It is not difficult to understand. In the football ground the matches is going on, and it is being relayed in your room. It is alike that.</p>
| | Prabhupāda: So, we are . . . our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is to educate people on the principles of the teachings of ''Bhagavad-gītā''. So if you understand ''Bhagavad-gītā ''thoroughly, then you will understand Lord Rāma also and other incarnations, because Kṛṣṇa is present with all the incarnations. |
| <p>Indian man (3): Swamiji, of all holy scriptures we have two books, and one is the Rāmāyaṇa and one is the Śrī Bhagavad-gītā. (break) 'Cause some people offer the reason that according to the Rāmāyaṇa we follow Rāma and Sītā as God. Can you just inform us the real or tell us who is our, the most of our...</p>
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| <p>Prabhupāda: So, we are... Our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is to educate people on the principles of the teachings of Bhagavad-gītā. So if you understand Bhagavad-gītā thoroughly, then you will understand Lord Rāma also and other incarnations, because Kṛṣṇa is present with all the incarnations.</p>
| | :''rāmādi-mūrtiṣu kalā-niyamena tiṣṭhan'' |
| :rāmādi-mūrtiṣu kalā-niyamena tiṣṭhan | | :''nānāvatāram akarod bhuvaneṣu kintu'' |
| :nānāvatāram akarod bhuvaneṣu kintu | | :''kṛṣṇaḥ svayaṁ samabhavat paramaḥ pumān yo'' |
| :kṛṣṇaḥ svayaṁ samabhavat paramaḥ pumān yo | | :''govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi'' |
| :govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi | |
| :(Bs. 5.39) | | :(Bs. 5.39) |
| <p>In the Vedic literature it is said, kasmin vijñāte sarvam idaṁ vijñātaṁ bhavati: "If you understand that one Supreme, then you will understand everything." So Rāmāyaṇa, Vālmīki Rāmāyaṇa, not other Rāmāyaṇa, the so-called Rāmāyaṇa... Authority, Vālmīki Rāmāyaṇa... If you read Vālmīki Rāmāyaṇa, that is also as good as reading Bhagavad-gītā. But if you read Bhagavad-gītā, you understand the transcendental science very easily. There is no difficulty. So we shall advise to read Bhagavad-gītā. It is very widely read all over the world, not only by the Hindus, but others also, by all scholars, all philosophers. They read Bhagavad-gītā. So we recommend you all to read Bhagavad-gītā as it is. Do not distort the meaning. Try to understand as it is. Just like in the beginning the Bhagavad-gītā is mentioned,</p>
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| :dharma-kṣetre kuru-kṣetre | | In the Vedic literature it is said, ''yasmin vijñāte sarvam idaṁ vijñātaṁ bhavati ''(''Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad'' 1.3): "If you understand that one Supreme, then you will understand everything." So ''Rāmāyaṇa'', Vālmīki ''Rāmāyaṇa'', not other ''Rāmāyaṇa'', the so-called ''Rāmāyaṇa ''. . . authority, Vālmīki ''Rāmāyaṇa''. If you read Vālmīki ''Rāmāyaṇa'', that is also as good as reading ''Bhagavad-gītā''. But if you read ''Bhagavad-gītā'', you understand the transcendental science very easily. There is no difficulty. So we shall advise to read ''Bhagavad-gītā''. It is very widely read all over the world, not only by the Hindus but others also—by all scholars, all philosophers. They read ''Bhagavad-gītā''. So we recommend you all to read ''Bhagavad-gītā ''as it is. Do not distort the meaning. Try to understand as it is. Just like in the beginning the ''Bhagavad-gītā ''is mentioned: |
| :samavetā yuyutsavaḥ | | |
| :māmakāḥ pāṇḍavāś caiva | | :''dharma-kṣetre kuru-kṣetre'' |
| :kim akurvata sañjaya | | :''samavetā yuyutsavaḥ'' |
| :([[Vanisource:BG 1.1|BG 1.1]]) | | :''māmakāḥ pāṇḍavāś caiva'' |
| <p>The dharma-kṣetre kuru-kṣetre... This is a fact. The kuru-kṣetra is a pilgrimage, dharma-kṣetra. Still it is. There is a railway station of the name Kurukṣetra, and that Kurukṣetra place is very big field. So why should we misinterpret, "Kuru-kṣetra means this body, and Pāṇḍava means the senses"? Why? This business distorted the meaning, so we should give up. We should understand as it is. Kurukṣetra is there, it is a pilgrimage, and in the past history, five thousand years ago, two sections of the same family, Kuru family... One section was known as Pāṇḍava and the other section as Kurus. They had to fight on political reason. This is historical. So there is no question of misinterpreting it. The difficulty is, as soon as we misinterpret to our whims, to show our scholarship, it is spoiled. Don't do that. Read it as it is and you will get the benefit. Yes?</p>
| | :''kim akurvata sañjaya'' |
| <p>Indian man (4): Swamiji, we are living in a world where new thoughts, new ideas are being disseminated with by saintly people. But as we have read that the Vedas were the first book of knowledge handed to mankind. Now what I would like to know is... The Christians have Bible as their book, the Moslems have the Koran as their book, and the Hindus have the Vedas as the book. Why should we not go back to the Vedas rather than accepting, notarizing the interest in many other scriptures, the Bhagavad-gītā or the Rāmāyaṇa for instance? But the sages, four ṛṣis, who first gave them, and Vedas were given to us at the beginning of God's creation. Why don't we go back to Vedas, and then we will know the Bhagavad-gītā also?</p>
| | :([[Vanisource:BG 1.1 (1972)|BG 1.1]]) |
| <p>Prabhupāda: So, what is the purpose of reading Vedas? Can you say me? Who can say what is the purpose of reading Vedas? That is mentioned in the Bhagavad-gītā: vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyaḥ ([[Vanisource:BG 15.15|BG 15.15]]). By reading Vedas, any Vedas, you have to understand God. Then it is perfect reading of Vedas. If you do not understand what is God, then what is the use of reading Vedas? Śrama eva hi kevalam ([[Vanisource:SB 1.2.8|SB 1.2.8]]). Simply waste of time. If you have read Vedas, then give me full information of God. Then I can understand that you have read Vedas. If you have no idea of God, then it is useless advertisement that "I have read Vedas."</p>
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| <p>Indian man (4): Swamiji, most of our Hindus accept Lord Kṛṣṇa as our Supreme Being, as God. Yet in the Bhagavad-gītā, Arjuna won't fight his brothers, but Lord Kṛṣṇa encouraged this, to fight his own brothers, to kill his own brothers, to shed blood. Isn't this condoning violence? Yet Hinduism doesn't condone violence. Can you explain why Lord Kṛṣṇa encourages Arjuna to fight his own blood?</p>
| | The ''dharma-kṣetre'', ''kuru-kṣetre''. This is a fact. The ''kuru-kṣetra ''is a pilgrimage, ''dharma-kṣetra''. Still it is. There is a railway station of the name Kurukṣetra, and that Kurukṣetra place is very big field. So why should we misinterpret, "''Kuru-kṣetra ''means this body, and Pāṇḍava means the senses"? Why? This business distorted the meaning, so we should give up. We should understand as it is. Kurukṣetra is there, it is a pilgrimage, and in the past history, five thousand years ago, two sections of the same family, Kuru family . . . one section was known as Pāṇḍava and the other section as Kurus. They had to fight on political reason. This is historical. So there is no question of misinterpreting it. The difficulty is, as soon as we misinterpret to our whims, to show our scholarship, it is spoiled. Don't do that. Read it as it is and you will get the benefit. Yes? |
| <p>Prabhupāda: If you can question the high-court judge why he is ordering somebody to be hanged, then what will be the answer? The high-court judge orders somebody to be hanged and somebody to take degree for one lakh of rupees. Is there injustice? It is the law. The Supreme Lord has to execute the law. So there is no mistake. As there is no mistake in the judgment of the high-court, similarly, what to speak of Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Lord. There is necessity. The government, in order to keep law and order, there is violence also. The police sometimes commit violence, the military force. So in order to keep whole thing in balance, sometimes violence is required, and that is not to our whims but at the decision of the Supreme Lord.</p>
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| <p>Indian man (5): Swamiji, there is a school of thought amongst Hindus that condemns idol worship and the concept of avatāra. Would you kindly elaborate on these concepts?</p>
| | Indian man (4): Swāmījī, we are living in a world where new thoughts, new ideas are being disseminated with a . . . by saintly people. But as we have read, that the ''Vedas ''were the first book of knowledge handed to mankind. Now what I would like to know is . . . the Christians have Bible as their book, the Muslims have the Koran as their book, and the Hindus have the ''Vedas ''as their book. Why should we not go back to the ''Vedas ''rather than accepting, notarizing the interest in many other scriptures, the ''Bhagavad-gītā ''or the ''Rāmāyaṇa ''for instance? But the sages, four ''ṛṣis'', who first gave them, and ''Vedas ''were given to us at the beginning of God's creation. Why don't we go back to ''Vedas'', and then we will know the ''Bhagavad-gītā ''also? |
| <p>Prabhupāda: Idol worship, that is not idol. Just like if you worship your leader in some picture or some statue, that is not idol worship. That is actually fact. You show your respect to your leader. Similarly, when we worship the Deity of the Supreme Lord, Kṛṣṇa, it is not idol worship. It is worshiping Kṛṣṇa. The difference is, as we have already discussed, Kṛṣṇa is Absolute. In the ordinary case the picture of your father and the father is different because it is material body. But Kṛṣṇa, being absolute, His form, Deity form, and He, there is no difference. It is Kṛṣṇa's mercy that He comes before you in the Deity form made of so-called wood or stone because we cannot see at the present moment except wood and stone. We cannot see. Just like I was explaining we cannot see even our father, the spirit soul. And how we can see the supreme spirit? So when we worship Deity, it is not idol worship. It is worshiping Lord Kṛṣṇa, and the Deity is not different from the person. This is the idea. We have to understand. It is a science. Just like the holy name of the Lord. It is as good as the Lord Himself. Nāma cintāmaṇiḥ kṛṣṇaś caitanya-rasa-vigrahaḥ pūrṇaḥ śuddho nitya-mukto 'bhinnatvān nāma-nāminoḥ ([[Vanisource:CC Madhya 17.133|CC Madhya 17.133]]). When we chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, this means Kṛṣṇa is dancing on my tongue. Otherwise why these people are chanting twenty-four hours, "Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa"? If you ask them to chant some other name, "Mr. John, Mr. John, Mr. John," it will be not possible. He will be tired: "No more." But you go on chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa twenty-four hours. You'll never feel tired. That is the proof that the holy name of God and God is nondifferent.</p>
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| | Prabhupāda: So, what is the purpose of reading ''Vedas''? Can you say me? Who can say what is the purpose of reading ''Vedas''? That is mentioned in the ''Bhagavad-gītā:'' ''vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyaḥ ''([[Vanisource:BG 15.15 (1972)|BG 15.15]]). By reading ''Vedas, ''any ''Vedas, ''you have to understand God. Then it is perfect reading of ''Vedas''. If you do not understand what is God, then what is the use of reading ''Vedas''? ''Śrama eva hi kevalam ''([[Vanisource:SB 1.2.8|SB 1.2.8]]). Simply waste of time. If you have read ''Vedas'', then give me full information of God. Then I can understand that you have read ''Vedas''. If you have no idea of God, then it is useless advertisement that "I have read ''Vedas''." |
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