Tamala Krsna: Car, yes. (break)
Prabhupada: ...any bird called thunderbird?
Bahulasva: Thunderbird? A big bird, big eagle, in the United States.
Prabhupada: No big eagle. Thunderbird. You have seen in this car?
Brahmananda: Automobile is called.
Prabhupada: But actually is there any bird called thunderbird?
Jagadisa: It's a legendary bird from Indian legend. American Indian.
Prabhupada: Indian legend?
Brahmananda: Of the American Indians, the Red Indians. They... Sometimes their chiefs are called Chief Thunderbird. It's a popular name for their chiefs.
Prabhupada: Oh. Oh. We have got an idea of thunderbird. The bird flies in the..., near the cloud in expectation of water, and they are not afraid of thunder. That is called cataka. That example is given by Rupa Gosvami. The cataka does not take water from ground. They will take water when it falls from the cloud. So in the beginning of every cloud there is thunder. So this bird, because they expecting water from the cloud, the cloud is giving him thunder, but still he does not..., will not take water from ground.
Dhira-krsna: In what connection do the Gosvamis use that example to illustrate?
Prabhupada: Example means a devotee will take mercy from Krsna, not from the material world. Even there is thunder - Krsna does not give mercy but puts him into difficulty - still, he will not take any mercy from the material world. This is the ex... (break)
Dhira-krsna: You are showing your mercy upon us. How do we prevent ourselves from becoming guru-druha, or ungrateful for the benediction you are giving us?
Prabhupada: So, you want to be guru-druha? Eh?
Dhira-krsna: No.
Prabhupada: That's nice. (break) ...come when there will be lightning, thunder, but there will be no rain. (end)