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| {{terms|"If somebody is claiming that "I am brahmana," then government should force him to become actually a brahmana. That is government's duty; that is secular state. Not that "Let people go to hell. We don't care for them." That is not required"}} | | {{terms|"if somebody is claiming that"|"I am ''brāhmiṇ''"|"then government should force him to become actually a ''brāhmiṇ''. That is government's duty; that is secular state. Not that"|"Let people go to hell. We don't care for them"|"That is not required"}} |
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| [[Vanisource:731104 - Conversation - Delhi|731104 - Conversation - Delhi]] | | [[Vanisource:731104 - Conversation - Delhi|731104 - Conversation - Delhi]] |
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| Guest (1): ...is very touchy about his being śūdra?
| | Prabhupāda: Defense ministry is ''kṣatriya'', and that is the, that is the sanction of the ''śāstra''. |
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| Prabhupāda: No, why he should be?
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| Guest (1): No, but he thinks that all of us look down upon him. So one has to be very careful. And I think that if you could say something about the real harijana.
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| Prabhupāda: Yes, that I'll speak. That I'll speak. Now, if he is coming from the śūdra community...
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| Guest (1): Yes.
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| Prabhupāda: ...but he is now minister...
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| Guest: He's a brāhmaṇa.
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| Prabhupāda: Yes.
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| Lady Guest: Not even brāhmaṇa.
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| Prabhupāda: Not exactly, yes.
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| Lady Guest: Not a brāhmaṇa.
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| Prabhupāda: But at least he's a kṣatriya.
| | :''yasya hi yal-lakṣaṇaṁ'' |
| | | :''puṁso varṇābhivyañjakam'' |
| Guest (1): I mean, defense ministry.
| | :''yad anyatrāpi dṛśyeta'' |
| | | :''tat tenaiva vinirdiśet.'' |
| Prabhupāda: Yes, defense ministry is kṣatriya, and that is the, that is the sanction of the śāstra.
| | :([[vanisource:SB 7.11.35|SB 7.11.35]]) |
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| :yasya hi yal-lakṣaṇaṁ
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| :yad anyatrāpi dṛśyeta | |
| :tat tenaiva vinirdiśet. | |
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| This is the statement by Nārada Muni. I shall quote the śāstra. | | This is the statement by Nārada Muni. I shall quote the ''śāstra''. |
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| Prabhupāda: Just like kṣatriya. Kṣatriya's.... Guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ ([[Vanisource:BG 4.13|BG 4.13]]). According to guṇa, śauryaṁ tejaḥ, yuddhe cāpy apalāyanam, īśvara-bhāvaś ca ([[Vanisource:BG 18.43|BG 18.43]]). These are the kṣatriya qualities. So śāstra says if these qualities are anyatrāpi dṛśyeta, if these qualities are found somewhere else... Suppose a śūdra, a caṇḍāla, if these qualities are found there, then he should be designated by that post, not as śūdra. | | Prabhupāda: Just like ''kṣatriya. Kṣatriya's . . . guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ'' ([[vanisource:BG4.13 (1972)|BG 4.13]]). According to ''guṇa, śauryaṁ tejaḥ, yuddhe cāpy apalāyanam, īśvara-bhāvaś ca'' ([[vanisource:BG18.43 (1972)|BG 18.43]]). These are the ''kṣatriya'' qualities. So ''śāstra'' says if these qualities are ''anyatrāpi dṛśyeta'', if these qualities are found somewhere else . . . suppose a ''śūdra'', a ''caṇḍāla'', if these qualities are found there, then he should be designated by that post, not as ''śūdra''. |
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| Guest (1): No. As varna (indistinct). | | Guest (1): No. As ''karuna varna'' . . . (indistinct) |
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| Prabhupāda: There are many instances, but this is the injunction of the śāstra. And practically also. Suppose a man is a medical practitioner. He may be born in a brāhmaṇa family or śūdra family—nobody wants to know to which family he belongs to. If he sees that he is a medical practitioner, he has passed the M.D. examination and that he is practicing then people accept him as doctor, medical man. Nobody asks him, "Are you a brāhmaṇa? Then I make my treatment with you." Nobody asks that. So this is the śāstric injunction. Then later on this caste brāhmaṇism, śūdra-ism made the whole thing, whole Hindu culture, Vedic culture, spoiled. | | Prabhupāda: There are many instances, but this is the injunction of the ''śāstra''. And practically also. Suppose a man is a medical practitioner. He may be born in a ''brāhmiṇ'' family or ''śūdra'' family—nobody wants to know to which family he belongs to. If he sees that he is a medical practitioner, he has passed the M.D. examination and that he is practicing then people accept him as doctor, medical man. Nobody asks him, "Are you a ''brāhmiṇ''? Then I make my treatment with you." Nobody asks that. So this is the śāstric injunction. Then later on this caste brāhmaṇism, ''śūdra''-ism made the whole thing, whole Hindu culture, Vedic culture, spoiled. |
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| Guest (1): Quite right. | | Guest (1): Quite right. |
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| Prabhupāda: That should be the point. Now it is the duty of the secular government... Now if somebody is claiming that "I am brāhmaṇa," then government should force him to become actually a brāhmaṇa. That is government's duty; that is secular state. Not that "Let people go to hell. We don't care for them." That is not required. | | Prabhupāda: That should be the point. Now it is the duty of the secular government . . . now if somebody is claiming that, "I am ''brāhmiṇ''," then government should force him to become actually a ''brāhmiṇ''. That is government's duty; that is secular state. Not that, "Let people go to hell. We don't care for them." That is not required. |
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| Guest (1): Yes, but if a brāhmaṇa is not behaving...
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| Prabhupāda: If you are claiming to become a brāhmaṇa, you must act as a brāhmaṇa.
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| Lady Guest: Perform the duties of a brāhmaṇas.
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| Guest (1): And actions and dharma and...
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| Prabhupāda: That should be the platform.
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| Guest (1): Because if a brāhmaṇa goes on drinking and abusing and..., then he is not a brāhmaṇa. | | Guest (1): Yes, but if a ''brāhmiṇ'' is not behaving . . . |
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| Prabhupāda: That is not brāhmaṇa. How can that be brāhmaṇa? That is a śūdra, caṇḍāla. Then what is the difference between a... But they are claiming brāhmaṇism by birth. That is not allowed in the śāstra. | | Prabhupāda: If you are claiming to become a ''brāhmiṇ'', you must act as a ''brāhmiṇ''. |
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