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Devotee: When you offer something... You once said in Delhi, "Either one or three."
Prabhupāda: Tolerance. If one is nonviolent, he must learn tolerance. We pray Lord Buddha: ''nindasi yajña-vidher ahaha śruti-jātam'': "My Lord, you, for the time being, you are decrying the Vedic authority." ''Nindasi yajña-vidher ahaha śruti-jātam. Śruti-jātam'' means Vedic rituals. ''Śruti'' means ''Vedas''. It is learned by hearing. Why he decried the Vedic rituals? ''Sadaya-hṛdaya darśita-paśu-ghātam'': "You are so much compassionate by seeing animals sacrificed," animal killing. ''Sadaya-hṛdaya darśita-paśu-ghātam. Ghātam'' means killing. So he wanted to stop this animal killing, sinful life. ''Keśava dhṛta-buddha-śarīra jaya jagadīśa hare'': "My Lord, you have appeared now as Lord Buddha. I offer my respectful obeisances unto you." Our . . . I think picture is there, Lord Buddha's picture.
 
Prabhupāda: That is neck bead. No. Yes. Yes, not... Yes, yes. Ārati. Ārati.
 
Devotee: Yes, Śrutakīrti had offered my son two cookies.
 
Prabhupāda: No, no.
 
Devotee: And I think you said, "Either one or three."
 
Prabhupāda: No, no. I said...
 
Devotee: Two or four?
 
Prabhupāda: Two or four.
 
Devotee: Is there some reason behind this?
 
Prabhupāda: Yes. Three is offered to the enemy. If I offer something, three, that means "You are my enemy."


Devotee: So how many sticks of incense? Two?
Yogeśvara: In the ''Bhagavad-gītā''?


Prabhupāda: There is no such...
Prabhupāda: No, no. Not ''Bhagavad-gītā''.


Yogeśvara: Now, one thing is that we accept Buddha as incarnation of Kṛṣṇa on reference from Vedas, but Buddha denied the value of the Vedas.
Dhanañjaya: The ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam''.


Prabhupāda: That is... When we pray, offer pray, it is stated that that is his, one of the qualification. Sada... Nindasi. Nindasi yajña-vidher. The animal sacrifice is recommended—some of the sacrifices or all of them... So that animal sacrifice was not meant for eating; just to give them new, rejuvenated life by the Vedic mantras, to test that whether Vedic mantras are being chanted properly. And because at the Kali-yuga there is no such expert brāhmaṇa, all sacrifices are forbidden. So later on, as they deteriorated, they began to offer sacrifices, and if anyone wants to stop it, they will say, "Oh, it is recommended in the Vedas." Just like these rascals, Christian: "Oh, Christ ate fish. Therefore we must maintain slaughterhouse." Just see how rascal they are. Supposing Christ ate somewhere fish, therefore they would maintain regularly slaughterhouse of cows. Just see their brain.
Prabhupāda: ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'', back side, the ''daśāviddha. Daśāviddha'' you do not see?


Yogeśvara: When you were here last year, there was a meeting at the Indian Tourist Bureau, a press meeting, and there was a man who came to meet you at that time who is president of the court of Paris. And he was supposed to be a Buddhist. Do you remember this gentleman? He said to you that "Meat-eating... We must eat meat in the West. Maybe in India, because of the climate, you can get away with that."
Pṛthu-putra: (explains in French the picture in Second Canto)


Prabhupāda: That is rascaldom, another rascaldom. He's a first-class rascal. That was the support by Vivekananda. He was eating everything. All the Ramakrishna Mission, they say like that, "Oh, without meat-eating, without drinking, you cannot stay." All rascals. Therefore, the conclusion is, all rascal, the religious, social, all rascal. If they want to be saved from their rascal position, this is the only, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. If they don't want to be saved, if they want to go to hell, who can check? Ātma-hā. Ātma-hā means "self-suicide." Suicide, yes. If you cut your throat yourself, who can save you? So they are all these like that, all, all these Buddhists, Christian. We may not speak very strongly; they will be our enemies.
Prabhupāda: He was Hindu in the beginning. (aside) Come on. He was prince, then he became renounced and he was known as Lord Buddha. So Lord Buddha also started his system for stopping animal killing. Lord Jesus also said: "Thou shall not kill." Unfortunately, the animal killing is not stopped. We are therefore teaching our followers "No meat-eating," so that if people stop meat-eating, automatically animal killing will be stopped. According to Vedic system, there are four pillars of sinful life, just like this table is on the four pillars. So one pillar is illicit sex; another, meat-eating; another, intoxication; and another, gambling. So at least the ''brāhmaṇas'', the priestly heads of religion, the king and the public leader, they should stop these four sinful activities. The leaders of the society, they must be sinless. Then the human society will make nice progress. In the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' it is stated, ''yad yad ācarati śreṣṭhas''.
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Conversations and Morning Walks

1974 Conversations and Morning Walks

According to Vedic system, there are four pillars of sinful life, just like this table is on the four pillars. So one pillar is illicit sex; another, meat-eating; another, intoxication; and another, gambling. So at least the brahmanas, the priestly heads of religion, the king and the public leader, they should stop these four sinful activities. The leaders of the society, they must be sinless. Then the human society will make nice progress.


Prabhupāda: Tolerance. If one is nonviolent, he must learn tolerance. We pray Lord Buddha: nindasi yajña-vidher ahaha śruti-jātam: "My Lord, you, for the time being, you are decrying the Vedic authority." Nindasi yajña-vidher ahaha śruti-jātam. Śruti-jātam means Vedic rituals. Śruti means Vedas. It is learned by hearing. Why he decried the Vedic rituals? Sadaya-hṛdaya darśita-paśu-ghātam: "You are so much compassionate by seeing animals sacrificed," animal killing. Sadaya-hṛdaya darśita-paśu-ghātam. Ghātam means killing. So he wanted to stop this animal killing, sinful life. Keśava dhṛta-buddha-śarīra jaya jagadīśa hare: "My Lord, you have appeared now as Lord Buddha. I offer my respectful obeisances unto you." Our . . . I think picture is there, Lord Buddha's picture.

Yogeśvara: In the Bhagavad-gītā?

Prabhupāda: No, no. Not Bhagavad-gītā.

Dhanañjaya: The Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.

Prabhupāda: Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, back side, the daśāviddha. Daśāviddha you do not see?

Pṛthu-putra: (explains in French the picture in Second Canto)

Prabhupāda: He was Hindu in the beginning. (aside) Come on. He was prince, then he became renounced and he was known as Lord Buddha. So Lord Buddha also started his system for stopping animal killing. Lord Jesus also said: "Thou shall not kill." Unfortunately, the animal killing is not stopped. We are therefore teaching our followers "No meat-eating," so that if people stop meat-eating, automatically animal killing will be stopped. According to Vedic system, there are four pillars of sinful life, just like this table is on the four pillars. So one pillar is illicit sex; another, meat-eating; another, intoxication; and another, gambling. So at least the brāhmaṇas, the priestly heads of religion, the king and the public leader, they should stop these four sinful activities. The leaders of the society, they must be sinless. Then the human society will make nice progress. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is stated, yad yad ācarati śreṣṭhas.