Prabhupāda: . . . celebration, independence from our point of view.
Hari-śauri: From our point of view, it doesn't have any meaning. For a person, a conditioned soul, to think that he's independent . . .
Prabhupāda: It is foolishness.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: They think they're free from being controlled by the British, for example. Free from being controlled.
Prabhupāda: There is some meaning. That's all right. But where is your independence? You are fully under the control of the laws of nature. So where is your independence?
Yadubara: There is none.
Prabhupāda: Simply dog dancing is independence?
Bṛṣākapi: Ultimately, they are declaring their independence of God, Kṛṣṇa. They can do as they like.
Prabhupāda: Then where is that independence? You can declare anything. A crazy man can say anything, but where is your independence?
Rūpānuga: In fact, they are bound up.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Where is the question of independence? Whatever you do not want, it is being forced upon you. So where is your independence? Nobody wants any miseries. So everyone is miserable condition. Struggle for existence means to get out of miserable condition. So where is independence? Now there is mist. How you can say you are independent? You cannot drive this mist, this fog. Unless sun rises, it cannot be cleared. So where is your independence? There may be so many accidents. Actually, it so happens. But you do not want. But here is an unfortunate. So where is your independence? It is not under your control. If the sun rises, then it can be dissipated, otherwise, there is no question. Poor thoughts. What is here, this park?
Bṛṣākapi: That's a private community.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Perhaps everyone is hopeful that the sun will rise for them.
Prabhupāda: Yes, sun is not your father's servant. He may not. It is not under your control. That is the point. You may think so.