Rāmeśvara: Well they say the atoms, the molecules, are always in motion.
Prabhupāda: No, no. First of all prove that this is moving. Then all . . . say all this nonsense. First of all, why it is not moving? This, this piece of earth, why it is not moving?
Viṣṇujana: They say it's moving very slowly. You can't see it moving.
Prabhupāda: Eh? Eh?
Viṣṇujana: It's moving so slow, you can't see it.
Prabhupāda: Then you become blind. Then you can see.
Prajāpati: But they'll say the whole world is moving, the whole cosmic manifestation is moving.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is another thing. But then how that is moving, we have to settle. But matter, as itself, does not move.
Rāmeśvara: 'Cause they say that within the, within the earth . . .
Prabhupāda: That is within. You have got very good sight within. But I am a layman. I want to see that it is moving. (laughter) You have got some imaginary eyes. You can see.
Madhudviṣa: They say that's advancement.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Madhudviṣa: Advancement of science.
Prabhupāda: Yes, to become blind is advancement, certainly. When this is . . . who will say it is moving, unless he's a fool? Nonsense. (laughter) Moving, that's all right. Everyone . . . the whole world is moving. That is another thing. But as it is, why . . . where it is moving?
Rāmeśvara: They're talking about the atomic structure, that the atoms are moving.
Prabhupāda: And therefore it is moving.
Rāmeśvara: Within, the atoms, there is movement.
Prabhupāda: Then here, today, this morning, you'll see it is lying there. Tomorrow you'll come, you'll see it is lying there. Where it is moving? What does it mean by moving?
Rāmeśvara: Well, they say that when atoms . . .
Prabhupāda: They say! You say what it is. Don't say "They say." You use your intelligence. If the foolish man says something, shall I have to accept it? You use your own intelligence. "They say." If they are authority, then we have got authority. If you do not accept my authority, why shall I accept your authority? Come to argument. "They say." Why we will accept "They say"? They . . . Why? Are they authority?
Rāmeśvara: No.
Prabhupāda: Then? What is the use of "They say"? You say. When you'll say "They say," I'll say "They say," (laughter) my authorities. My authorities. If you defy my authority, why shall I accept your authority? Then come to plain logic.