Mr. Goldsmith: Kṛṣṇa believed that it was all right to kill the enemies of Arjuna because it was a righteous war.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Mr. Goldsmith: Now, if you have a philosophy like that, and find peace?
Prabhupāda: What do you mean by peace, then?
Mr. Goldsmith: Absence of war.
Prabhupāda: Not necessarily. Not necessarily. Absence of war is not peace. Just think over. Suppose now there is no war. Do you think that everybody is in peace? Ask any individual person that, "Are you in peace? Are you in peace of mind or peace of . . .?" No. War is not only the cause. There are many other causes which disturbs our peace. War is one of the causes. But, simply if you stop war, that does not mean peace is guaranteed. No. War is one of the disturbing thing of peace. But there are many other disturbing things, many, incalculable, which will disturb you. You see? So we have to take relief from all disturbing position. War is one of the item. And that can be done when you are Kṛṣṇa conscious.
Mr. Goldsmith: Well, how can it be done if you're Kṛṣṇa conscious and Kṛṣṇa Himself was a proponent of war?
Prabhupāda: (chuckles) You are speaking to war. You see? The war has nothing to do . . .
Mr. Goldsmith: Well, the Bhagavad-gītā starts out with a war.
Prabhupāda: Yes, but . . . that's all right, but that war was a necessary thing. You cannot, I mean to say, completely eradicate war from the social life. Just like government maintains the law and order force. There is necessity. Why the government maintains so much police force and military force? There is necessity.
Mr. Goldsmith: Well, if you believe, if you believe that it's necessary . . .
Prabhupāda: When the . . . yes.
Mr. Goldsmith: . . . then that's the end of the discussion. Because if you believe it's necessary, then Kṛṣṇa believes it's necessary.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes.
Mr. Goldsmith: Then . . .
Prabhupāda: Everything is necessary, but whole . . . our position is that, so far our material existence is concerned, that there are so many things that . . . but one thing, or the four things, janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi; that we are under the entanglement of repeated birth, death, diseases and old age. These four things does not depend on war or peace. Suppose there is no war. Can you get free from diseases? Suppose there is no war. Can you get free from death? Suppose there is no war. Can you become . . . remain a young man all the time? No. Your problem is these four things. You have to solve that; Janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-duḥkha-doṣānudarśanam (BG 13.9).