Prabhupāda: Husband-wife means, a man requires a woman, a woman requires a man. They should be combined in such a way that they can live peacefully. If there is no disturbance of the mind, then they can make further progress in spiritual life. Therefore marriage is also necessary, and that must be properly done. This was the . . . now there is no such consideration. The boys and girls are free, and if one likes the other . . . dāmpatye . . . what is that?
Pradyumna: Dāmpatye 'bhirucir hetur.
Prabhupāda: Hmm. Ruci. Ruci means liking. Then?
Pradyumna: I think it is māyaiva vyāvahārike.
Prabhupāda: Ah, māyaiva vyāvahārike. In ordinary dealings there is cheating. This is Kali-yuga. Ordinarily, even when gentleman-gentleman, so-called gentlemen talking, he's trying to cheat him, he's trying to cheat him. By talking. And ordinarily. Māyaiva vyāvahārike. To talk with gentleman-gentleman, it is ordinary thing, but still there will be so many untruthfulness. Māyaiva vyāvahārike. Then?
Pradyumna: Strītve puṁstve ca hi ratir vipratve sūtram eva hi.
Prabhupāda: Hmm. And woman is nice, man is nice, this should be considered by sex power. Strītve puṁstve ca hi ratir. Then?
Pradyumna: Vipratve sūtram eva hi.
Prabhupāda: Vipratve sūtram eva hi. And there is a brāhmaṇa—what is the proof that he is a brāhmaṇa? He has got a sacred thread, that's all. Or thread. It may not be sacred; purchased from the market. So at least we try to give a sacred thread by ceremony.