Prabhupāda: Yes. So the more you become spiritualized, so the material heaviness is diminished. Yat-pāda-paṅkaja-parāga-pavitra-dehā. Now read the translation.
Pradyumna: "The great sage Atri prayed for offspring, and the Lord, being satisfied with him, promised to incarnate as Atri's son, Dattātreya. And by the grace of the lotus feet of the Lord, many Yadus, Haihayas, etc., became so purified that they obtained both material and spiritual blessings."
Prabhupāda: Go on.
Pradyumna: Purport: "Transcendental relations between the Personality of Godhead and the living entities are eternally established in five different affectionate humors, which are known as śānta, dāsya, sakhya, vātsalya and mādhurya. The sage Atri was related with the Lord in the affectionate vātsalya humor, and therefore, as a result of his devotional perfection, he was inclined to have the Personality of Godhead as his son. The Lord accepted his prayer, and He gave Himself as the son of Ātreya."
Prabhupāda: Who can be equal to Him? He wanted, "I want son like You." So where is another person like Him? So He said: "I shall become. I am your son."
Pradyumna: "Such a relation of son-hood between the Lord and His pure devotees can be cited in many instances. And because the Lord is unlimited, He has an unlimited number of father-devotees. Factually, the Lord is the father of all living entities, but out of transcendental affection and love between the Lord and His devotees, the Lord takes more pleasure in becoming the son of a devotee than in becoming one’s father. The father actually serves the son, whereas the son only demands all sorts of services from the father. Therefore a pure devotee . . ."
Prabhupāda: This philosophy is only in Vaiṣṇava philosophy: to accept God as son. In other religions, they accept God as father; but here is a philosophy they accept God as son. Because to accept God as son means to give Him more service. Son takes service from the father: "Give us our daily bread." But the father gives the son daily bread. That is more valuable. If I take from you something, that is not very good; if I give you something, that is good. So to become father of God means to give everything. Even the state, even his money, his bank balance, everything. That is the idea. And to become son of God means to take everything. Hmm. Then?
Pradyumna: "The father actually serves the son, whereas the son only demands all sorts of services from the father. Therefore a pure devotee who is always inclined to serve the Lord wants Him as the son, and not as the father. The Lord also accepts such service from the devotee, and thus the devotee becomes more than the Lord. The impersonalists desire to become one with the Supreme, but the devotee becomes more than the Lord, surpassing the desire of the greatest monist. Parents and other relatives of the Lord achieve all mystical opulences automatically because of their intimate relationship with the Lord. Such opulences include all details of material enjoyment, salvation and mystic powers. Therefore the devotee of the Lord does not seek them separately, wasting his valuable time in life. The valuable time of one’s life must therefore be fully engaged in the transcendental loving service of the Lord. Then other desirable achievements are automatically gained. But even after obtaining such achievements, one should be on guard against the pitfall of offenses at the feet of the devotees. The vivid example is Haihaya, who achieved all such perfection in devotional service but, because of his offense at the feet of a devotee, was killed by Lord Paraśurāma. The Lord became the son of the great sage Atri and became known as Dattātreya."
Prabhupāda: Datta means "given," and Ātreya Ṛṣi. So discuss any points.
Pradyumna: Gaurasundara is here.
Prabhupāda: Na te . . . so, you want to become father of Kṛṣṇa? Hm.
Gaurasundara: The servant of the servant of the servant of the servant of the father.
Prabhupāda: So one devotee, he becomes father of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and any devotee who is attached to the lotus feet of the Lord, all kinds of success are engaged in his service. Bilvamaṅgala Ṭhākura said, bhaktis tvayi sthiratarā bhagavan yadi syād: "If my devotion becomes fixed-up unto You, then it is not very difficult thing to see You." Daivena naḥ . . .
- bhaktis tvayi sthiratarā bhagavan yadi syād
- daivena naḥ phalati divya-kiśora-mūrtiḥ
(Kṛṣṇa-karṇāmṛta 107)
Divya-kiśora-mūrtiḥ. You can see. And muktiḥ mukulitāñjali sevate 'smān. So one who has got bhakti, for him there is no problem for mukti, because mukti is always at her service. And dharma-artha-kāma: and the material opulence to become religious or economically rich, dharma-artha-kāma samaya-pratīkṣāḥ, they are simply waiting. So, what news?