Prabhupāda: It is a false theory, and upon this so many university are spending money, professors.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Thousands of dollars.
Prabhupāda: Thousands. Rascal theory. You see? In this way, they're wasting money. Śrama eva hi kevalam (SB 1.2.8). Aviśuddha-buddhayaḥ (SB 10.2.32).
Karandhara: They always have to revise their theories, because about every few years they find something new which contradicts everything they have said before.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is their intelligence.
Brahmānanda: And they think that's progress.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Progress in one sense. Because they're rascals, making little progress.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Advancing in the wrong direction.
Prabhupāda: But the real progress is when they will understand that, "We are rascals." (laughter) That will be real progress, when they come to understand that, "We are all fools and rascals." That will be real progress. Just like Caitanya Mahāprabhu presented Himself that, "My Guru Mahārāja found Me a rascal number one." Yes. That is real progress.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Science is nearing that stage. Science . . .
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Because they're going to accept that they're all rascals? That will be the real progress. Bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate (BG 7.19). So after many, many births of rascaldom, when he comes to Kṛṣṇa and surrenders, "Yes. Vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti (BG 7.19). He is everything," that is real knowledge.
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Svarūpa Dāmodara: A group of scientists are now working on the idea that before we start anything, one should think . . .
Prabhupāda: No, there is the latest theory. What is this? Theory of ignorance? Or what is that? Theory of impossibility, or something like that?
Karandhara: Oh, theory of uncertainty?
Prabhupāda: Uncertainty, yes. Theory of uncertainty. Everything is uncertain. And that is little intelligence. That, how to find out the certainty.
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Svarūpa Dāmodara: The scientists, they claim that the discoveries are accidental and incidental—by accident, by chance.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) What is this? That means they're fools.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: In many instances, when they try to find out something, they do not find the real one that they want, but in between, along the way, they find something else. So that is why they call it "by accident." Because they did not aim for that, but somehow they get it along the way.
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Brahmānanda: Six-fifteen. (break)
(referring to birds)
Prabhupāda: . . . also know how to keep pace with the big, big waves. They know how to do it. They're not afraid of big waves.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They know that the wave is coming. They run because they know that the wave is coming.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And they know how to go forward and come back. Who has taught them this discipline? Kṛṣṇa is there, within. Sarvasya cāhaṁ hṛdi sanniviṣṭho mattaḥ smṛtir jñānam apohanaṁ ca (BG 15.15). Kṛṣṇa is dictating, "Now you go forward. Now you come back. Here is your food." He's giving intelligence. Sarvasya cāhaṁ hṛdi sanniviṣṭho mattaḥ smṛtir jñānam apohanaṁ ca. He's giving direction in every living entity, but when a human being, He gives direction, if he surrenders that, "Go this way. You'll come to Me." Buddhi-yogaṁ dadāmi taṁ yena mām upayānti te (BG 10.10). And that is human intelligence.
So far these lower animals are concerned, they are given . . . being given intelligence how to eat, how to sleep, how to mate, how to defend. But a human being, if he engages himself in the service of the Lord, then Lord will give intelligence how to come back to home, back to Godhead. This is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. That is the condition. Teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam (BG 10.10): "Only to those who are engaged in devotional service with love and faith, I give him intelligence how to come back to home, back to Godhead."
Therefore, after coming to human form of body, we must awaken our intelligence about understanding the Supreme Lord. And if we take up the process sincerely, with love, then Lord within will give you dictation, "You come this way, come this way, come this way." Otherwise, not. The first condition is, teṣāṁ satata-yuktānām. Therefore we are trying to engage all our disciples to be engaged twenty-four hours in devotional service. Then his life will be successful.
That is our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. Satata. Satata means always, constantly. Just like we are walking, but we are engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Others are walking, they're wasting time. But we are, we are walking, but at the same time we are engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We are eating, we are engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We are sleeping, we are engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
We are working . . . always. Then Kṛṣṇa will see, "Now he's serious. Let him have some intelligence how he can come back to home." This is the process. And the pleasure of sense gratification, oh, that is also known how to do it by the hogs and dogs. They know. The hogs are eating everything, up to stool, for sense gratification.
So the human being, if they have no discrimination—they can eat anything and everything for sense gratification—they are no better than hogs. What is the difference between a hog and human being? The hog has no discrimination of eating. Anything it will eat, up to stool. So if a human being becomes like hog, without any discrimination, he will eat anything, that is advancement of civilization? The advancement of becoming hog. That's all. And they like, actually. The hippies, they like hogs. Yes.