Prabhupāda: That means they do not know. Say that, "beyond experimental knowledge" or "beyond your capacity."
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Still, they are hesitant to say that.
Prabhupāda: That is their poor fund of knowledge. A gentleman will accept, "Yes, we do not know." But they, in round about way, in order to keep their position, they'll bluff. That is most dangerous, bluffing.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: That's the difficulty.
Prabhupāda: Yes. No, that is the... If one wants to be cheated and wants to cheat others, you cannot... Sarpaḥ krūraḥ khalaḥ krūraḥ. There are crooked living entities; one who is snake, and one is man. So you can control the snake, but you cannot control this rascal crooked man. That is very difficult. Khalaḥ kena nivāryate. He'll remain crooked, however you say. I told you that story? Scissor? Scissor? Yes. Because he's human being, he'll persist, and the other one, the animal, you can bring her, bring that animal under control. But because he is human being, you cannot bring him under control. He will persist.
Gurukṛpā: What was that story of Caesar?
Prabhupāda: Huh? Tell him.
Satsvarūpa: Scissors. Two men were arguing...
Gurukṛpā: Oh, the scissors.
Prabhupāda: Scissor logic.
Devotee: What is that?
Satsvarūpa: One man said a knife was used...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Satsvarūpa: ...and the other said, "No, it was a scissor that was used." And they began arguing back and forth, and finally one man who held that it was a knife, he threw the other man in the river...
Prabhupāda: That "You accept that it is done by scissor." So he said, "No, I won't tolerate." Then he pushed him in the water. Then he was doing like this. (laughter) Scissor logic.
Bhāgavata: Argumentum vaculam.
Prabhupāda: That was used. He was put in the water. "Either you accept or I shall push you in the water." "No, I'll not accept." (laughter) So these rascals are like that. They are failure. They cannot. Still, they'll do, (laughter) the so-called scientists.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They have an international society for doing that.
Prabhupāda: Yes. They must combine. Otherwise there is no place for them. As soon as they accept that there is something beyond physical, then they'll have to accept God.