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What if they say Caitanya Mahaprabhu was a devotee, He worshiped the Supreme Lord, kirtana, but His disciples say He's God?

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"What if they say Caitanya Mahāprabhu was a devotee, He worshiped the Supreme Lord, kīrtana, but His disciples say He's God"

Conversations and Morning Walks

1975 Conversations and Morning Walks

No. That... Why do you...? I have already said that He's supported by śāstra. He's supported by śāstra. He's supported by learned scholars, means, in the transcendental scholars. And supported by guru. We follow our guru. So guru says; śāstra says; saintly persons say. Therefore we accept.


Conversation with Devotees -- March 31, 1975, Mayapur:

Acyutānanda: The people say that just like Ramakrishna, the disciples presented him as God, but he never said he was God.

Prabhupāda: But then where is the śāstra?

Acyutānanda: No.

Prabhupāda: Three things: the devotee or saintly person, śāstra and guru. He has no guru. He has no support from the śāstra. (laughs) So he's a fool, rascal number one, and he is God. He was a illiterate priest. He had no knowledge of śāstra. Besides that, in the śāstra it is said that, "Those who are worshiping other demigods, their intelligence is lost." So he was worshiping Kālī. So he had no intelligence or spiritual realization, and he became God? So these things can be accepted by other fools and rascals. But those who follow śāstra, they will reject immediately.

Acyutānanda: What if they say Caitanya Mahāprabhu was a devotee, He worshiped the Supreme Lord, kīrtana, but His disciples say He's God?

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Acyutānanda: Simply the disciples have said He's God.

Prabhupāda: No. That . . . why do you . . .? I have already said that He's supported by śāstra. He's supported by śāstra. He's supported by learned scholars, but here, in the transcendental scholars. And supported by guru. We follow our guru. So guru says; śāstra says; saintly persons say. Therefore we accept.

Acyutānanda: They interpret that verse in another way.

Prabhupāda: That, the rascals do. They are . . . what is their value? When these rascals says that worshiping Kālī, one becomes God. . .

Acyutānanda: No. No. Vaiṣṇavas.

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Acyutānanda: The Rāmānuja and the Madhva, they say kṛṣṇa-varṇam means "black." Kṛṣṇa-varṇaṁ tviṣa kṛṣṇam (SB 11.5.32): "But He is effulgent."

Prabhupāda: Hmm? No. We should follow our ācāryas. Why . . .

Acyutānanda: No, but how to convince them that? They will never accept Caitanya.

Prabhupāda: No. "You are also ācārya, but we have got our own ācārya. Why should I follow you?"

Page Title:What if they say Caitanya Mahaprabhu was a devotee, He worshiped the Supreme Lord, kirtana, but His disciples say He's God?
Compiler:MadhuGopaldas, Rishab
Created:16 of Jul, 2011
Totals by Section:BG=0, SB=0, CC=0, OB=0, Lec=0, Con=1, Let=0
No. of Quotes:1