Prabhupāda: Personalities like Brahmā and Śiva, they also sometimes become victims of māyā. So our, I mean to say, potency of falling down is always there, potency. And because we are part and parcel of God, and because we are now in the material world, it is to be understood that we have fallen down. But you cannot trace out the history when you have fallen down. That is impossible. But our position is marginal. At any moment, we can fall down. That tendency is there. Therefore we are called marginal.
But one . . . that's like it is very simple to understand. Everyone is prone to fall diseased. Is it not? Now, when you are diseased, there is no necessity of finding out the history when you became diseased. You are diseased; make your treatment. That's all. Similarly, we are in the material condition of life.
Just go on treating it, and as soon as you are cured, be careful not to fall down again. But there is chance of falling down, again becoming diseased. Not that because you once become cured, and there is no chance of becoming diseased again. There is chance. Therefore we shall be very much careful. Yes?
Bīrabhadra: In the Bhagavad-gītā it says on page 41 that Brahmā is the second spiritual master. But, I thought that all spiritual masters live forever. But Brahmā doesn't live forever?
Prabhupāda: Yes. We live forever. By change of body you do not die. You live forever, I live forever. Death means we change this body, that's all. Just like you change your dress. When you change your dress, it does not mean that you die.
Similarly, change of this body does not mean actually death. Or to appear in a different body does not mean actually birth. There is no birth and death of the living entity, but the change of body is taking place in our material condition. That is taken as birth and death. Actually there is no birth and death.