Svarūpa Dāmodara: He thinks that maybe he will be free, that. . . if sometimes there's also a chance that he will be caught.
Prabhupāda: That is ajñāna. As soon as he "maybe," that means ajñāna.
Devotee (4): So that's why we originally fell down?
Prabhupāda: Knowledge must be solid. There is no question of "maybe." No. Just like if you touch fire, there is no question of "maybe." It must burn you. You may think, "It may not burn," but that is your foolishness.
Ravīndra-svarūpa: So they think that they can enjoy material nature, but not be implicated.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Not implicated. . . He is already implicated. There is no question of maybe. Must.
Devotee (5): So when we fell down from the spiritual world. . .
Prabhupāda: Then you must suffer. There is no question, "maybe."
Devotee (5): When we fell down, we were thinking we could enjoy like that, in the same way?
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is foolishness. And we are making our plans how to enjoy. That is our foolishness. And Kṛṣṇa says, "You give up all these nonsense plans. Come to Me."
Devotee (5): Is this example proper, that a son is being well taken care of by the father, but sometimes he's thinking, "I can enjoy more some other way"?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Śrīla Prabhupāda, can I change the topic?
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Last. . . day before yesterday, morning, Prabhupāda said that plants are more highly developed than the fish or the aquatics. But someone may ask what about the dolphins and the seals. They are regarded as very intelligent and highly developed.
Prabhupāda: Every living entity has a particular type of intelligence which is greater than the other.