Pañcadravida: Īśopaniṣad says, asuryā nāma te lokā (ISO 3). He is going to hell even though he knows that he is cheating. He is also going to hell, even if he is conscious that he's cheating.
Prabhupāda: So don't be cheater; don't be cheated. That is intelligence.
Pañcadravida: Śrīla Prabhupāda, what is our fortune that we've come in contact with a qualified guru? What have we done to qualify to come in contact with you?
Revatīnandana: In other words, why do some come and others not come?
Prabhupāda: It is the ajñāta-sukṛti, say. Ajñāta-sukṛti. You might have done something, very pious activities, which you do not know, but on the effect of.
Madhudviṣa: So it seems like it's up to chance, then.
Prabhupāda: No chance. Just like a sinful man. Some saintly person comes to him and he gives some money to him. He does not know that "I am doing very pious activity," but because he has given, he becomes pious.
Revatīnandana: If not even a blade of grass moves unless Kṛṣṇa sanctions it, then why does someone have the opportunity to perform such ajnata-sukrti, another person not?
Prabhupāda: Yes, Kṛṣṇa wants . . . suppose a saintly person comes to a very sinful man. He needs some money. Immediately Kṛṣṇa says, "Give him some money. He requires." So he says, "All right, sir, take it." So Kṛṣṇa's desires, he gives. Unless Kṛṣṇa dictates from within, how he can give?
Hari-śauri: So then where is the question of free will? If I want to give or not to give . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no, free will under Kṛṣṇa. You can become free will and become a big man immediately. Your free will sanctioned by Kṛṣṇa. You are not so free that whatever you like, you can do.
Madhudviṣa: So even if I want to perform some ajnata-sukrti, it is only by Kṛṣṇa's mercy that I will do it.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Gurukṛpā: Man proposes and God disposes.
Prabhupāda: That is stated by Caitanya Mahāprabhu.
- ei rūpe brahmāṇḍe bhramite kono bhāgyavān jīva
- guru-kṛṣṇa-kṛpāya pāya bhakti latā bīja
- (CC Madhya 19.151)
As soon as he gives to a saintly person, bhakta, he immediately acquires some asset of future development. Immediately.
Acyutānanda: If someone gives to a person for spiritual . . . consciously for spiritual improvement . . .
Prabhupāda: There is no question of . . .
Acyutānanda: . . . and the person misuses the money, does he benefit?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Acyutānanda: If a man says, "I am giving you this donation because it is a spiritual organization," but if the money is misused, does that man benefit?
Prabhupāda: If money is misused, then both of them become implicated. If it is not used for Kṛṣṇa, then both of them becomes under the laws of karma.
Acyutānanda: But that man is sincere.
Prabhupāda: Well, this word "sincere," there is no meaning unless he is a devotee. Ei bala ei manda sab mano-dharma: "These are all mental concoction." There is no meaning. "This man is good," "This man is sincere," "This man is bad," "This man is . . ." they are all mental concoction. Only good is he who is Kṛṣṇa conscious. Others all rascals.