Prabhupāda: Who is he?
Rāmeśvara: Just minor devo . . . they're never leaders.
Jagadīśa: Initiated?
Rāmeśvara: One girl. And they're vicious, very hateful. Because they are constantly being told that we are evil.
Prabhupāda: Nitāi has gone there to do it? (chuckles) No.
Rāmeśvara: No. I think . . . last I heard he was still in Vṛndāvana area.
Prabhupāda: If he is in Vṛndāvana, that is good for him.
Rāmeśvara: He is crazy.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Rāmeśvara: Then it says: "Other things need to be done. We have to get supportive comments from professionals and authorities in areas of religion, education, mental health and physical health, law and sociology. Statements by experts and professionals carry a lot of weight."
Prabhupāda: That is in our side.
Jagadīśa: Yes.
Rāmeśvara: "Ask your contact to comment or express his opinion of such things as that this is not a matter of religion; that there is resulting mental and physical harm; the right of self-determination means the right to have a free mind; destruction of the family unit . . ."
Prabhupāda: If one has the right to have a free mind, why he cannot chant Hare Kṛṣṇa?
Rāmeśvara: Well, their argument is that we do not allow him to consider alternatives.
Prabhupāda: Then where is the question of a free mind? That means you brainwash.
Rāmeśvara: Exactly.
Prabhupāda: Free mind means everyone has the right. That is free mind. If you force something, then where is the free mind?
Rāmeśvara: So actually they are understanding that once you chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, you will stop thinking about māyā.
Prabhupāda: They're admitting.
Rāmeśvara: They understand that . . . their claim is that this chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa . . .
Prabhupāda: Is dangerous. (laughs)
Rāmeśvara: . . . is dangerous because it makes you stop thinking about so many other things. That is their . . .
Prabhupāda: That is our victory. That is victory. Because Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura says that viṣaya viṣānale, dibā-niśi hiyā jwale, taribare nā koinu upāy, golokera prema-dhana, hari-nāma saṅkīrtana, rati nā janmilo kene tāy: "This material world is the burning fire of anxiety. So in order to get rid of it, we have to take shelter of Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, which is imported from the spiritual sky." That is a fact. So as soon as you take shelter of Hare Kṛṣṇa, naturally we are relieved from this blazing fire of material existence. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam (CC Antya 20.12). Finished. Bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nirvāpaṇam. Mahā-dāvāgni, this fire of material existence, finished. That's a fact. So they have pointed out this circumstance, it is good. Yes. That is the position. Yes. Caitanya Mahāprabhu recommends that. In order to get rid of this blazing fire, harer nāma harer nāma harer nāma eva kevalam (CC Adi 17.21): chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Rāmeśvara: Anyway, this goes on. But then what they're saying is there has to be a very big case where a cult leader of Hare Kṛṣṇa is sentenced to jail. So they're writing to say that, "Now we have to find lawyers who will be willing to take up this cause very inexpensively."
Prabhupāda: That means there is no money.
Rāmeśvara: But one recent development which will change that is that they have appealed to the government that they are an educational group, therefore they should be tax exempt like any other educational organization. And the government has agreed. Now they have gotten their tax exemption, so now these parents can donate lots of . . . different people will start donating lots of money to them as tax write-offs. So I think that we will see that their activities will be expanded this year, because now they are tax exempt, they'll get a lot of money.
Hari-śauri: That news article said that someone had given them $105,000. Some parents of a converted . . .
Prabhupāda: No, there are rich parents. They can do that. And every parent is unhappy. (chuckles)
Rāmeśvara: The fighting will increase this year. It's getting very acute, as you said in that letter.
Prabhupāda: So they are feeling the strength of Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Rāmeśvara: We're becoming the main target. Formerly it was this Reverend Moon, but his movement has been . . . so many scandals, that it is beginning to lose its appeal to people. So now we are the main target faith. That is the most significant thing about this newsletter, that they are saying that "Formerly Reverend Moon . . . but he has already been exposed. So now let us direct all our energy against Hare Kṛṣṇa."
Prabhupāda: But they do not know whom to expose.