Prabhupāda: God means supreme controller.
Dr. Kneupper: Super . . .?
Prabhupāda: Controller.
Dr. Kneupper: The master of the universe.
Prabhupāda: That's it.
Dr. Kneupper: Well is that . . . do you think that this concept is, let's say, the special insight of the Vedic?
Prabhupāda: No, no. You, as a philosopher, you can understand that there is supreme controller. Can you deny it?
Dr. Kneupper: I would . . . only with great difficulty, I think, it seems to me.
Prabhupāda: Yes, it is . . . you cannot deny it. But they foolishly deny it. Therefore they are rascals. So how you can convince the rascals the right way? If you give me a dozen of dogs, can I convince him that what is God?
Dr. Kneupper: Hardly. They have no capacity to understand.
Prabhupāda: But they have no capacity. The modern civilization, we are creating dogs and hogs, so how they will understand God?
Dr. Kneupper: Do you think there will always be a few who understand?
Prabhupāda: Certainly. Unless one . . . but if there is a class of men, ideal, who understands God, then people will follow. We require one moon; then the darkness will be dissipated. But if in the millions of stars, what is the use? So they are creating millions of rascals, not one sane man, the modern civilization, the so-called philosophers, so-called scientists. Don't mind. This is the fact.
Dr. Kneupper: Do you basically reject the modern civilization?
Prabhupāda: No, no. I say they are being foolishly trained.
Dr. Kneupper: I see.
Prabhupāda: The whole education system is bad.
Dr. Kneupper: Can you see no hope that there will be change?
Prabhupāda: There is hope. There is cent percent hope, provided you accept the right way.