Dr. Patel: How can they be? Government, no. Temples are never controlled by government.
Prabhupāda: Although the king is there . . .
Indian man (3): The government of the king was controlling. Now the government is.
Dr. Patel: Which king?
Prabhupāda: The magistrate is the president of the maṭha.
Dr. Patel: Dvaraka temple was under control of Mahārāja of Baroda, but he appointed a committee of Vaiṣṇavas to control it. It was completely free.
(break) (laughing) You have been very unkind to people.
Prabhupāda: He is a first-class Cārvāka, he is.
Devotee: The dog is also trying to defend himself against the Lord.
Prabhupāda: No. That is not the question. Question is anyone who does not know what is God, he is a Cārvāka, that's all. Mūḍha nābhijānāti mām ebhyaḥ param ayayam (BG 7.13). He's a Cārvāka. That's all. The same bodily concept: "Russian," "American," "Chinese." Then? Yasyātmā-buddhiḥ kunape tri-dhātuke, sa eva go-kharaḥ (SB 10.84.13).
Indian man (3): They are innocent. They are not . . .
Dr. Patel: Innocent?
Prabhupāda: No, they are not innocent; they are stupid. (laughter) They are not innocent. They will never agree . . .
Indian man (3): There are so many Indians, they are also not . . .
Dr. Patel: No, they are also like that.
Prabhupāda: Huh? The simple thing explained in the Bhagavad-gītā . . . simple thing explained in the Bhagavad-gītā, asmin dehe dehinām (BG 2.13): "Within this body there is the proprietor." So they do not understand it. Huh?
Indian man (3): That comes after, after . . .