Devotee: Yes. His question was that if Kṛṣṇa says that "Never was there a time when you and I did . . ." (break)
Prabhupāda: That is not correct. Kṛṣṇa . . . as we have got distinction between the body and the soul, Kṛṣṇa has no such distinction. Kṛṣṇa is completely soul. And if we think that Kṛṣṇa is like us, that is forbidden. Avajānanti māṁ mūḍhāḥ, tanu . . . mānuṣīṁ tanum āśritam (BG 9.11).
Because Kṛṣṇa comes before us just like a human being, if we think that, "He's also like me," then we are ass. Kṛṣṇa does not change His dress. Otherwise, Kṛṣṇa could not say that, "Millions and millions of years ago I spoke this philosophy to the sun-god." Because . . . because we change our dress, we forget what I was, what you were in your past life. Because you have changed the dress. (break)
Prabhupāda: Always thinking of Kṛṣṇa. As Kṛṣṇa says: man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru (BG 18.65). These four principles. Always think of Kṛṣṇa, become Kṛṣṇa's devotee, worship Kṛṣṇa and offer your respect, obeisances to Kṛṣṇa. That's all. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. They are doing that. Nothing more, nothing less. These four principles.
Indian man (4): Is Nārāyaṇa . . . (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . (Hindi: One has to hear the shastra, understand it. One who knows shastra, he has to become servant then only he will come to know.) . . (Hindi: He cannot quickly just understand in one minute.)
Indian man (5): The fundamental question of our interest is to know soul.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Indian man (5): The fundamental question of our interest is to know soul.
Prabhupāda: Yes?
Indian man: So what is the form and what is the definition of soul, and how to know whether there is soul . . .?
Prabhupāda: That is . . . that is . . . that is described. We are describing: na jāyate na mriyate. Soul is never born, soul never dies, soul is eternal. Nityaḥ śāśvato, na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre (BG 2.20). Even after the destruction of this body, the soul is not destroyed. These, these are the education.
Indian man (5): There is a test of knowing the thing. You are just describing the qualities of the soul. If you can say mango, mango is very sweet, color is like this. But it requires to taste the mango. So I want to realize the soul. What is the shortest way?
Prabhupāda: There is mango, but you have no eyes to see it. That is the difference. Soul is there. Just like we have begun our instruction: dehino 'smin yathā dehe (BG 2.13). There is dehī. There is the soul within this body. Kṛṣṇa says. So we have to accept Kṛṣṇa's authority. You cannot see the soul. That does not mean there is no soul. Your . . . what is the value of your eyes? You cannot see so many things. Because you cannot see the soul, it does not mean there is no soul. We have to accept the authority.
Indian man (5): Why can't I see?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Indian man (5): Why I can't . . .?
Prabhupāda: Because your eyes are imperfect.
Indian man (5): So what is the proof that there is soul?
Prabhupāda: Because there is a proof: as soon as the soul is gone, you are dead body. That is the proof.
Indian man (5): I should like that thing . . .
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Indian man (5): The thing is I should see.
Prabhupāda: But you must be qualified to know.
Indian man (5): How?
Prabhupāda: That I have already explained, that you must become . . . tad viddhi praṇipātena paripraśnena sevayā (BG 4.34). You must approach to a person who knows, by surrender, not by challenge. You cannot know about soul and God by this challenging spirit.
You have to become a submissive. Submissive. You have to accept a spiritual master who knows. Then you'll know. It is not that in a meeting by challenging, you can know. No. That is not possible.